User talk:Sake neko

Great job here, you've been doing alot of work(more than me). Anyway, welcome to the Wiki, If you need my help I'll be more than happy lend a hand or two(though I generally have trouble lending 3 hands). Moogle Buddy 19:34, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks but you should give yourself more credit. I didn't know this place existed until a week or so ago. :) Sake neko 22:53, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

A late but very warm welcome
This is probably just going to seem tacky after moogles greeting, but hello all the same, and thanks for all the contributions.

I just have one thing I wanted to ask you about though; I noticed (at least in sw character articles) that you've been replacing the artwork infobox images with the concept images. My opinion is that we should use the promo arts when their the most recent, and additionally there was a consensus earlier about using the artworks. and while i dont care for the look of the concept arts, many thanks for finding and uploading them, and they can definitely be good additions to the sw2 sections/gallerys of articles.

I apologize if I'm coming across as dictatorial; all I wanted to do by bringing this up was ask for your input on the matter, so thanks again for the help. Dabigbozz42 16:50, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Hey thanks for the compliment. I only used the concept art because I don't have a copy of the promo arts. I don't mind if they're replaced in the gallery, but I did want to add an image so the article wouldn't look blank. I add the concept art for some characters because you can't see some details very well in the promo art (Kanetsugu comes to mind). That's my two cents really. Sake neko 22:07, 16 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Hi, I'd like to welcome you as well to the wiki although it's a bit late. You've been doing a great job with the character articles, especially the Kessen sections. If possible just try and stick to the recently written manual of style so that articles are all written in the same way.--Aeon lord92 08:27, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Roger. Sake neko 08:28, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Grazie mille
Thanks for all the work you've been doing here, Sake neko. You've been the most active user for some time, and thank you for expanding the articles with Kessen and Saihai no Yukue information. GreatPanda 16:08, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I'm really just expanding on the Koei genre I like the most but it's nice to hear that the people here appreciate it. :) Sake neko 20:48, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

My God, Sake neko, you're doing way too much work. Organizing and making Categories, taking the time to tediously put articles in the correct categories, making new articles and images... Just too much work there, Sake neko. Thanks a hella bunch. Hope the Wiki isn't taking up too much of your fun! GreatPanda 00:15, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Nice pictures
I was going over the edits on pages, and one question I have is where did you find those pictures for Kunoichi, they are very good. I'm rather clueless at finding pictures myself, so I was simply a little curious. Also very nice work on the wikia(never seen so much work done, even when we had 5 active people, and now it's 2, you and GreatPanda). I haven't been near active enough as of late I'm going to try to be of more of a help. Moogle Buddy 01:25, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks again. :) If you mean the scans in her gallery section, it's because I personally own and scanned the books myself. I'm trying to do the same for other characters as well but I'm not willing to tear my pages out like the really awesome Dokuganryu. So those other scans are kinda placeholders for the time being. Sake neko 01:31, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Crimson Sea
I was wondering if you wanted me to make a template for you as far as Crimson Sea goes, all I would need to know is how many games they have, and the main character names. Just trying to be helpful Moogle Buddy 01:24, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks. A series template might be overkill since there's only two games really made for Crimson Sea. A character template might be helpful though. I wouldn't know how to organize it, I'm still working it out in my head. :) Sake neko 01:50, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't think so, Warriors Orochi had 2 games(3 now) and it had one listing the the games above, and Warriors Orochi exclusive characters.It's purpose is just to give quick links from one article to another one in at the bottom that all relate, and in a small easy to find box Moogle Buddy 19:06, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I guess. I'd be more pleased if we had an infobox for the Houshin Engi characters since they've been in four games at least. It's just that as cool as Crimson Sea is, I see less of a future sequel for these games than the Warriors Orochi one. If you think it's all right though, then I wouldn't mind a template. :) Sake neko 21:11, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

I think he is the best character except for lubu User:DWGamer196

Zhen Ji Courtesy Name
Hello Sake Neko. Nice to meet you. I've seen the recent edit you did on Zhen Ji's page. Can you correct me if Im wrong?

I'm aware that Furen litteraly means ones wife, but historically Zhen Ji was commonly called Madame Zhen. In Chinese Furen also means Madame which translates to her name Zhen Furen in Chinese. Maybe you are correct since Furen is a tittle. Historically her tittle was Furen though.
 * Yes, I'm aware of that as well. Furen is more like a title that addressing her status. Furen is not a given name for the individual; it's not as intimate as a style name, which addresses in one name where a person was born and such. I've looked everywhere -Chinese, Japanese, Korean, and so on- and so far no one knows her actual style name, putting her in the same boat as most of the other ladies from that time. Furen isn't really exclusive to Zhen Ji either as I've seen it used to describe many other ladies during ancient times (Huang Yueying and Wu Guotai immediately come to mind). This is due to the way how ladies were treated/remembered during those times. They weren't addressed or recorded under the entire given name as it was mostly limited to family or their husbands. It was formal to address them under a rank with their family name, recognizing their marriage to their husband rather than they themselves. To try to address a lady under their full name when you're not in this circle was a great offense. They kinda have a similar naming scheme in Japanese with the "x no kata", "xhime" and "x-dono".


 * You can add Furen in the historical section/information though, I won't mind. In fact, if you want, you can rewrite it as well since it's a bit lacking in some places and you seem genuinely interested in the section at the moment than I do. It's just faulty to try to say that Furen itself is an actual name or a style name for a person -it's like treating the Mrs. or Mr. as the entire name for a person when it's normally not. Sake neko 01:20, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I forgot to say this before but an easy way to spot if someone has a style name is to see if the character for it is present (字 followed by their style name). Also as a dorky Koei reference, Zhen Ji just says her name while her husband says his name and style name.Sake neko 03:31, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

I'm sorry that I cussed u out.I was mad before I checked my mail,I got even madder when u messed my page up.I'm just gonna ask u why.I'm from atlanta and we don't take that shit very well.I just wanna ask u why.

I'm not mad anymore about Zhen Luo page anymo.This nosy little boy told me I cannot claim ownership(New 2 this didn't know)and u don't have 2 answer the question that i asked.


 * Thank you for the apology. Remember, you can add stuff too. Especially anything related to gameplay. We could need a page that lists all the skills in Dynasty Warriors or something like that. Sake neko 19:32, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

WO2 PSP
Oh no, I don't have WO2 PSP. I live in Holland and so it hasn't released here yet, but I am going to get it for sure. And I do not have Strikeforce, don't like it. Anyways, I'll see what I can do here. Master Sima Yi August 25th, 2009

Historical Information
Is what the Historical Information I created about Muneshige Tachibana okay then? I didn't copy it from anywhere. Master Sima Yi 05:12, September 16, 2009 (UTC)
 * It's shallow and not to my personal liking for a guy who did a lot, but most of it is somewhat correct. If you're not going to write more on him, I'm planning to expanding the section later anyways -like with a lot of other people. Sake neko 05:14, September 16, 2009 (UTC)

NPCs
I was working on that. Though I was certain you would know more about, for example, Takanobu Ryuzoji's role in other games. I'm sure he appears in other games, though you seem to own more KOEI games then I do. I'm doing it also as a start for other people to edit, seeing as all edits by other people I see are for old articles. Master Sima Yi 16:03, October 2, 2009 (UTC)

Btw, Takenaka did fight for the Oda army. Face it :P. He was fighting UNDER Hideyoshi. Master Sima Yi 16:05, October 2, 2009 (UTC)

Then how can I fill in the Kessen parts when I don't own any Kessen games and the roles of the characters in it aren't described anywhere? I'm not relying on you particular, just anyone who knows what to fill in there. Sorry, I'm not really good at explaining, and even worse in a foreign language... Master Sima Yi 16:53, October 2, 2009 (UTC)

"Just because Kaihime was made playable doesn't mean these other characters will be, so don't make more pages for them. "

I'm not doing it because of that. Takanobu is as important in SW2 as Magobei Fuse. All those articles need to be made, does it matter where you begin? Master Sima Yi 17:12, October 2, 2009 (UTC)

I see. But tell me, when are thes pages going to be done then? Master Sima Yi 17:20, October 2, 2009 (UTC)


 * And do you mind telling me where you get the info concerning NA and those pictures, from Takanobu, from? Master Sima Yi 17:23, October 2, 2009 (UTC)

Pictures.
Hello Sake Neko. My reasoning for if anyone could get picture from the videos, was simply to get the most up to date pictures for the characters. I see your point though of waiting for the official images as they are, well, official, well-done, and high-quality. I was simply thinking momentary up to date pictures might also help in the gallery, as it shows the viewers what is currently known of the characters. While I'm leaving a message, might I interest you in the Featured Article voting? You do the most work on the wikia, so it's you'll more than likely know the best among the articles, and I really want to get that rolling again. Thanks Moogle Buddy 01:17, October 5, 2009 (UTC)

About Ne Zha
Hi Sake Neko I'm just wondering about Ne Zha. In Mystic Heroes Ne Zha is a girl (from character profile in the game). But actually Ne Zha is a boy?! And I found a guide from this http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/psx/file/575236/24910 which also tell that Ne Zha is a girl. So I'm starting to confuse that actually is Ne Zha really a girl or really a boy x_x. So if your information is really true then please answer here and confirm it thank you...


 * I already answered this here since that was the ip address that the question came from, but I guess I can repeat it.


 * Yes, he's a boy.


 * I know the images don't help me argue this case at all, but Ne Zha's really a boy in Japanese. Li Jing says that he only has sons (息子たち, musukotachi) and he calls Ne Zha the "stupid son". To be honest though, just think that Li Jing has having really feminine looking sons. Jin Zha and Mu Zha look just as feminine and they practically look like twins to boot. Ne Zha doesn't change genders in Japanese at all, since he's still a boy in other FY titles. The characters who know him always make a point of saying that he's a boy during his introduction sequences. That's why he gets upset for being mistaken as a "goddess" in the handheld game. Ne Zha also appears in Saiyuki and Goku identifies him as a male. It doesn't seem like it's him in the English version, but he's named one of his other names in Japanese, Nata Taishi (哪吒太子, Ne Zha Taizhi), which is roughly translated as Prince Ne Zha.


 * The English Mystic Heroes is the only title that says that he's a she. I'm guessing that they didn't want to try to use his proper gender for some reason. Well... I can see why, if that's the case. Sake neko 19:15, October 17, 2009 (UTC)
 * I finally found the official page for the first game and the character list says that Nezha's a boy as well. Sake neko 22:09, October 19, 2009 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for cleaning up the Aya page. I had no idea about here other names and therefore couldn't find much info on her... I may also have been a little harsh (don't know if that's good English... ) in creating the page since I didn't have much time for it. Sorry. Master Sima Yi 14:01, November 18, 2009 (UTC)

Sorry. Though I was planning on editing it when now that I'm home from school. I noticed the Yoshikage Asakura one too. And yes, I got to admit that I do want to be the first one though XD. I want me to go noticed for once, in any way possible... I'm sorry but I can't really help that. God I hate myself for that. And by the way, the deleted Aya page wasn't as good as the one you have made now. Master Sima Yi 14:32, November 18, 2009 (UTC)

personals item for WO..
Hey there.. i just want you to know that to complete the personal items article, you nedd the guide of how to unlock it, right? so you can just copy it form gamefaqs, then search Warriors Orochi and open the unlockig personal items guide... Hope this help... Thx...

Hi,Sake neko.do you have more images and scans of the koei saiyuki characters like the viliians and many other more?
 * Scans: no. The images in the character's infoboxes are ones I stole from both versions of the official website. I know a book with the official artworks exists but I sadly do not own it. Character portraits and other such game images: yes! But, I must admit, I'm not really focusing on Saiyuki at the moment. If you want, I can do the rest of the Saiyuki characters after I finish three more characters from Gitaroo-Man. Sake neko 07:53, December 18, 2009 (UTC)

Really? Gee,thanks.Sake neko.I've been searching them for a very long time and they are extremely hard to find.

Oh and one more thing,Sake neko,what is the difference between scans and images?
 * Something that I consider to be a "scan":
 * Gojo.jpg
 * Something that I consider to be a general image for the game:
 * Sykgojo-portraits.jpg
 * The majority of the Saiyuki articles I did were the main party characters with full body images from the official website. Since I don't own the artbook for this game, I don't have these same sorts of images for the remaining characters. Until I do or someone with the book is kind enough to contribute, I'm basically aiming to make the rest of the character articles look something like the majority of the Fengshen Yanyi characters (such as Wen Zhong or Huang Tianhua). I haven't read the entire Journey to the West novel yet so I'm likely going to leave the novel summaries blank. I'm hoping that someone out there who has read the novel and wants to do them can contribute for that section though. We'll see. Sake neko 12:52, December 25, 2009 (UTC)

Oh,I do not own both the artbook and the novel either that's why i have been searching for them for a very long time and i found this website,this is all thanks to you. ^^ I found out that there is one artbook called the "西游记六画集" meaning "Saiyuki Six Illustration".This is the website http://auction.thumbnail.image.rakuten.co.jp/@0_auc/image78/76/72/00010002978/62/b2/img00130758024.jpg,the one on the upper right is the artbook in this website.Unfortunately,this artbook can only be obtained by buying the Saiyuki Journey West game as both the game and the artbook come together and it is extremely hard to find now,even for the second hand.There is also one website that talks a bit about the Saiyuki journey West novel,the novel is basically in japanese and they translate it to English,this is the website,"community.livejournal.com/journeywest".The illustration for the novel in japanese is "www1.ocn.ne.jp".I also love the ost of the game and i have been searching them for the past 4 years and i have finally found them.This is the website,http://www.box.net/shared/xsafmtk68b. Enjoy ^^ Again,thank you very much for posting the saiyuki images,i really appreciate it.
 * Thanks for the hook ups and for the response. I'm happy to know that someone else on the net likes this Saiyuki like I do. ^^ I'm just a bit sad that I can't get that artbook though. I sometimes see it on yahoo auctions or other sites like that but it's sometimes too expensive for me (either the book itself or the shipping). And then it disappears in like two or three days. I'm having the same vain struggle trying to find the Houshin Engi book and drama CDs -for a reasonable price- as well. Well, I still appreciate your kind responses. I'll try to finish up the rest of those pages in the next few days or so. ^^ Sake neko 18:01, December 28, 2009 (UTC)

You are very welcome,Sake neko. ^^ I'm also very glad that i have found someone who is a fan of Saiyuki like you.I think there is only a few people out there who love this game.Don't give up,Sake neko,i'm sure we will find the artbook one day. If you need help,just send a message here and i will try my best to help you.Gambateh! Kkeep it up! ^^

Greetings
Hi,Sake neko,wish you a very happy and prosperous new year! May all your dreams and wishes come true! ^^ Oh,can i ask you something,hope you don't mind if i say this.Are you a japanese?

Oh,i forgot something,Sake neko.You said that you are having the same vain struggle trying to find the Houshin Engi book and drama CD,right? What kind of book is the Houshin Engi? Is it an artbook,novel or a story?
 * Happy new year to you too. I don't really want to say anything about myself at the moment, so I'll pass on the first question. As for the second one, I'm referring to the Fengshen Yanyi series that Koei did. They did three drama CDs and light novels, but I'm having a hard time even seeing anything for them. It's pretty obscure, even with Japanese fans, so I guess it's to be expected.


 * Anyways, I have a little request. If you (or someone that you know has played the game) would like to look over and add things to the Saiyuki character pages that are done, then be my guest. I would also appreciate in-depth novel summaries, and preferably not copy-paste from Wikipedia (since wikias are supposed to offer more). Well, anything really. I just don't want to be the only person who's touching these pages. Sake neko 12:18, January 6, 2010 (UTC)

Oic,it's ok if you don't want to talk about yourself,sorry for asking such stupid question...As to be your guest,why,i would be glad to do so ^^ I just don't know how to do so and edit or add images to the saiyuki category.Besides,i also don't know how or where to get the saiyuki images....
 * Thanks. As for the pages, I just mean the ones that are done so far for now. Like the main party/other characters. They look complete but I figure that someone else's input might help them look a bit better. Sake neko 05:05, January 8, 2010 (UTC)

Mmmmm...... I think what the saiyuki image category lacks of is that,firstly, some of the characters don't have their full body shown like the optional characters and the Guardians. I do have the full figures of the guardians but i don't know how to post them up and i also do not have the full figure of the optional party members like taurus,tessen and so on....Secondly, the sections of the eight devils and extra characters are empty,not even their face portraits. I will help you to post them up but question is i do not know how or where to find those images.I have been searching for them in the internet for a very long time and until now i could only find some of the images which are all been posted on the saiyuki category.Also,i was also looking for the saiyuki game concept art like the front,back and side views of the characters,the characters sketches and sprites, as well as the backgrounds,environments and background designs of the game.I had been wondering why KOEI keep this game so classified.==
 * Um... I wasn't asking about the images. I don't really want more images for these characters right now. I can just take screenshots for the remaining characters as a placeholder. That's not my primary concern.


 * I was talking about the character pages themselves. Y'know, the writing and the analysis junk. The stuff about the characters themselves. I was asking about an opinion regarding those. Sake neko 06:42, January 9, 2010 (UTC)

Oh,is the character pages...Sorry,i was confused.So you wish someone would give more information and feedback about the characters in the character pages? But i think there is only you and me who have been talking about saiyuki,i don't see other people coming in and give comments about it.

So i just add some feedback and information in the characters corner? Do i have to register in order to do so?
 * Er, if you want to register, you can. You might want to read up a bit on how wikias work before you commit to it though. For normal writing purposes, you can just add whatever you want without membership. It's a wikia where anyone can edit.


 * Also take note of the bold text near the bottom of the screen as you edit. If you can't see it, I'll copy it for you: 'If you don't want your writing to be edited mercilessly and redistributed at will, then don't submit it here. I can't stress that enough.' If you're cool with that, then do as you please. Sake neko 10:01, January 11, 2010 (UTC)

Sanguo Zhi
Hello Sake Neko,

I'm busy setting up my own Three Kingdoms page at http://sanguozhi.wikia.com/wiki/Sanguozhi_-_Record_of_the_Three_Kingdoms_Wiki and was wondering if we could link to each others wiki? As I said I'm just starting so there's only 44 pages and 4 contributors and we're looking to expand! It seems your wiki's main focus are the videogames and my wiki's main focus is the historical aspect of the Three Kingdoms (the sanguo zhi and the many biographies).

I hope you're willing to consider this! :-)

Zantam03 16:31, January 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks I guess? I'm not admin though so I can't really say anything about being affiliates. Kyosei can answer this for you. Sake neko 21:33, January 13, 2010 (UTC)

Hi,Sake Neko.I have edited one of the Saiyuki characters data but the information is not related to the saiyuki journey west game.Is it ok? And i really have no idea what to write the about the other characters' data. Also,i wanted to add some images in the saiyuki category if you don't mind.
 * Um... I don't really know what to say if I can't see the edit. If it's information from the novel then I don't mind. If you want to post images, you have to get an actual account from wikia. But like I said, it'd probably be best if you read a bit more on wikias before you think you should actually join. Sake neko 04:56, January 19, 2010 (UTC)

Oic....I'll see what i can do about the characters pages.

Mmm....I think all the character pages have been edited and i think almost all the information about the characters is there.I wonder why you are still worrying about the pages and that you say that "i don't really know what to say if i can't see the edit." Is something wrong,Sake Neko?
 * Are you putting novel information in what should be the actual game only section? I've only seen changes on Goku at best, and that was in the wrong section. Information from the novel should be at the bottom and not be joined with what is only in the game. Feel free to keep editing as you like, but do not continue to confuse the purpose of both sections. It's there to compare with what changes there are from the original source material, not to say that both materials are the same. Sake neko 09:04, January 27, 2010 (UTC)

Oh,sorry.Well,i really don't know what to say but i will just leave the pages as they used to be. I was just trying to help and if i had make a mess,i would like to apologize.
 * There's no need to apologize; if anything I might need to since I guess I unintentionally sound like I'm bullying you. You can keep editing if you like and I really encourage it, but I'm just saying that your information was in the wrong section. Sake neko 08:36, January 28, 2010 (UTC)

Honestly,you really do sound like that.And you sound kinda angry and i just don't know why.Anyway,i won't give it a damn and i won't keep that in mind.So don't worry about that.

Hi
Hi again thanks to you I got all the help i needed on wikia so thanks.

Becouse all of your help i managed to creat a new wiki called Samurai Games i would really like you to check it out to see what you think about the wiki.

Sadley no 1 had entered my wiki yet :( so you will be the 1st person to see it.

By the way is Odawara Castle a stage in Kessen becouse i have made this stage in your koei wiki and was wondering if you would know how the story is in the games.

Again Thanks.

Hi
Thanks alot for the tips and for visiting Samurai Wiki. I already putted Way of the Samurai page. And for Warriors Orochi i only mentioned it for Yoshitsune Minamoto, Kiyomari Taira and Benkei Saitio for there 1st appearence. The only problem is that i am putting there gaming appearence which is hard to find for other Samurai's of other periods. As for Onimusha Samanosuke IS Hiedimitsu thats why I linked him in Nobunaga's History section. Some other games you mentioned I don't know them all but I'm sure that I will get them since they are samurai games. As for Yakuza the game is a mafia/yakuza game apart from the 3rd game.

And thanks for the info for Odawara I haven't got the 3rd kessen yet.

Tadakatsu
that is a nice pic of tadakatsu he is the best

Samurai games Wiki
Hi again, Listen can you give some more tips for my wiki i'm running out of ideas and I don't know what i'm going to improve and attract other members to visit the wiki.

Again thanks for everything.

Hi again, Is it a good idea to put Hokotu Musou in the my wiki?

Ok thanks and by the way do you know any other sengoku era related games?

thank you allot if you want to check the up update on the wiki feel free. unfortunitly no one visited yet : (

and know since i have finished by exams I can update Samurai games wiki and koei wiki more often

I have liked the sengoku period since I was 7 heck this year i even wrote a book about the period. If you want i can email it to you

and once again thanks allot

Ok thanks

Thanks
Thank you alot for your help. I'm finding a hard time finding some info I don't have all of the games. I was thinking of doing a table but when I finished the cells didn't appeare.

I was thinking of putting Naruto in the wiki, my friend told me that he would like to help if i get started on naruto, but he isn't a member yet. Should I put naruto? he isn't a samurai but my friend told me that there are samurais in the series.

By the way do you know anyone who can help me in the wiki? I don't know alot of peaple in wikia I even checked there blog but they are mostly intrested in Dynasty Warriors.

Again thanks.

Naomasa Ii
No one calls him Naomasa Li, they call him Ii, with an uppercase 'i'. Which is why they also use the reference to Yi.
 * I know his real name. I'm just wondering why I saw "Li Naomasa" on his page before I erased the historical section. I've also seen the "Li" floating around on other random boards as well, so it isn't just that one instance. Sake neko 14:44, February 4, 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedea
Ok and sorry.

By the way is it a good idea to do a generic charecter his generic weapon using kojiro and katsuie's weapon's in SW2 Empires

No, I was sugesting to put a generic charecter there generic weapon by using katsuie and kojiro's weapon's in SW2 Empires pics

OK then

The Lu's
The reason I put Lu Bu in Chen Gong's article as Lü Bu is because that's how it is consistently used in my version of the novel (the same goes for Lü Boshe). I didn't really get what you were saying in your summaries, so could you clarify your reasoning, please? Thanks you, and after all of this time, you're as hard-working as ever. GreatPanda 02:26, February 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, thanks same to you. You're helping a lot with the summaries and keeping silly comments off of pages. Red Hare being the fastest horse in the land... only in the games! :)


 * Anyways, I just don't really see the point in putting pinyin all the time for one syllable but excluding everyone else. Pinyin is stuff like the "Lü" for "Lü Bu". Why only do a part of Lu Bu when you've got a whole load of other characters and places who have technically have those similar symbols for their name? It just seems a bit biased and not really consistent. I sometimes do that too, but it's mostly for a visual key/guide since sometimes the subject or place I mention often isn't talked about in English. On the other hand, most people who visit this wiki already know who Lu Bu is. That's what I meant. I didn't mean to offend, it's just that it's weird to see it, y'know? Sake neko 02:37, February 9, 2010 (UTC)


 * Thank you. I'll try to keep pinyin only in the infobox, then. And my apologies if I sounded offended, I'm not at all in fact. Was just wondering. :D GreatPanda 03:26, February 9, 2010 (UTC)

Yoshiaki Ashikaga
I was wondering around Koei wiki and i found a Yoshiaki page. I don't think that it quite suites the wiki. Yoshiaki only appeares in Nobunaga's Ambition.

I didn't I just edited the page (I only made the Template)

Yeah I saw it

Don't Know : |

I just was writing yoshihiro and when i stopped at yoshi I saw Yoshiaki so I edited it I only knew him Historically (Ashikaga Shogun)

Warriors legend of troy
Hi again, listen I found some really good pics of the game and I was thinking of making a new article about the characters but which template should I use?

Ok then

Images.
Good evening. Just to tell you that I changed all possible images with better quality, but they remain the same. So, I wish you still do not change my opinion. I have the impression that you do it on purpose. Thank you for understanding.

Help us if you want
Hello I am a user from The Three Kingdoms Wiki a wiki about the Three Kingdoms of China. I am not the creator of the wiki, but the creators username is Zantam03, anyway I see you made over 19,000 edits, thats alot. The Three Kingdoms Wiki needs support it only has 2 editors and a lot of pages with stubs. The wiki at least has a 100 pages. I hoping your a fan of the Three Kingdoms and I am asking you to please help or contribute to us if you want.

Note: I know you are a Dynasty Warriors fan. You help edit on the Dynasty Warriors 5 and 6 page and Strikeforce on the Three Kingdoms Media. thanks Ccjk 09:48, March 3, 2010 (UTC)

The Wiki

Note: If the link is broken try typing in on the Google search engine Three Kingdoms Wiki and click that says Three Kingdoms Wiki a free data base that anyone can edit.

Once you get there click The Three Kingdoms Wiki because thats the old wiki only 11 articles.

Gameplay of Xi Wang Mu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLHuWTuWsDc

SHE A PLAYABLE CHARACTER!!!

It is not written yet on the site but in a recent Famitsu scans. Moreover, if it was not playable, it would not gameplay video. I myself played!

Moreover, it has been said that Strikeforce 2 propose 11 new playable characters and gold Xi Wang Mu, although it reached the 11 characters.

If you want to specify on the page of Xi Wang Mu, the form fury is Huang Quan.

Sake neko,can you upload the rest of the Saiyuki Journey West characters images like the eight devils,the lord taurus allies and the other characters? Thanks.

Magoichi Saika
Hi again,

I was wondering why put all members of the Suzuki Clan whilst Shigehide is Magoichi in Magoichi's Historical Information section.

In Nobunaga's Ambition Iron Triangle in the historical section of Shigehide there is writen that "Shigehide was also nicknamed as Magoichi Saika" so why not remove the other members of the Suzuki and leave only Shigehide?

Yes but, the original Magoichi is Shigehide any way I understand why you written them.

Actually Hanzo was historically significant only at Iga, so we could just was well remove other battles too.

Hai Tang and other FT characters
Will you still make their bio or will you just leave them?
 * Still intending to make Houshin characters, but want to finish the stories for the SW characters and one or two of the Hokuto guys first. I'm the same with Saiyuki, Gundam, RoTK characters, Kessen, and Crimson Sea characters too; just putting that out there. However, if you played the games/know something about them and are willing to write, then I'm not really stopping any volunteers from editing. :) Sake neko 10:34, April 8, 2010 (UTC)

Sengoku Period wiki
Hi I haven't been contributing lately because I have been working on my Sengoku Period wiki lately.

Who can I tell in this wiki to contribute each others wiki?

I hope your the right guy


 * They already know because user:Zamtam is helping me since I don't know how to create templates.Yukimurasanada 18:32, April 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry I mixed up the wiki. I never seen that wiki. I was refering to this wiki.Yukimurasanada 18:47, April 15, 2010 (UTC)

Guo Jia article
I have a question, why did u delete Guo Jia's moveset on the article, he is a playable character in DW4 Empires as well a 5 Empires. and he is kinda a major character. --Aeris97 12:01, April 16, 2010 (UTC) Aeris97

Fanart
I have just finished making my SW cards on my PC and I wish to upload them here in this wiki. Can I do that? If so how shall I upload them.?


 * OK I'll try asking him.Yukimurasanada 10:01, April 18, 2010 (UTC)

Edit Characters
For the Edit Characters Pages, are they for removed characters/Non-playable characters? or are they for all edit characters, even if they do not exist in rotk? --Aeris97 11:32, April 21, 2010 (UTC)

Oh, Ok.
So would edit characters that aren't actual characters in rotk (i.e: your own character, like, someone called Guo Zun, Du Mao, Zhuge Xi, etc.) count?

And i do do my research, the info on du xi's article were from many sites, including kongming.net

Thanks
I see, ok. One more thing, regarding the Du Xi article on Wikipedia, originally it was a red link, i got pissed at no one creating it so i decided to do some research but found barely anything after about 2-4 hours, so i created the Du Xi article, but still only about 2 sentences. So i know the info on the wikipedia article is accurate, and oddly none has touched the wikipedia article, since it was created, supposedly that no on give a crap about the article.

Really?
Any reason on the mi fang article you deleted all the info that I indeed put in my own words and not a single one was from wikipedia???? --Aeris97 20:56, April 21, 2010 (UTC)

Copied and Paste?!
To be honest, the info i added that u changed to the mi fang article, i never copied and pasted. I said so myself in my summary, not a dang thing from the info was from wikipedia.

And your message: "For instance, why did Mi Fang surrender? It says that he did so in his own scroll due to fear. In Lu Meng's scroll, however, he saw Shiren in the Wu army and invited the Wu army as guests. Did you even bother to check or research for that? No. Stop copying and actually do some more research if you want an actual historical section."

That is obviously referring to the fact that you think i got it all from wikipedia, heck, i am not that lazy! I created the Du Xi article a few days ago and recently it's now one big-a** article! And to my view that's all good and swell. But, how is it that Du Xi's article is big as heck and yet Zang Ba's article have nothing regarding his role in actual history, ROTK, nor the Dynasty Warriors games. And Mi Fang's have little regarding those terms. And you saying:

"In Lu Meng's scroll, however, he saw Shiren in the Wu army and invited the Wu army as guests. Did you even bother to check or research for that? No. Stop copying and actually do some more research if you want an actual historical section."

Really? That happened? Gee, I had no idea. And for the life of me I have no clue why no one has added that to the article.

You saying about my info that said that "Mi fang betrayed for personal gains", yeah well, that was already in mi fang koei wiki article while i was editing.

And about you're statement: "You could have even said more about the RoTK version of his surrender, when he was forced to because Fu Shiren's rash actions prevented him from stepping out, but you didn't. My word, you didn't even try to say something like his entire family tree and made that connection that Lady Mi, Liu Bei's wife, is his younger (sometimes argued older) sister."

I never knew that! I dont have that much free time! I do have a life!

and regarding zang ba's article he is my fav dw character (one of them) and i have researched him on every site i could find for the past year and a half and i could barely find anymore info than i have been providing. But I understand what you are talking about. --Aeris97 22:02, April 21, 2010 (UTC)

Hokuto Musou Toki Info
I saw you removed the info on Toki's alternate outfit. To my understanding, Toki is 'cured' during his Illusion Mode - thus being more illusionary...heh. His first Illusion has him as normal, but then he reverts to his old self from that mission forward. Of course, my japanese is lacking, but seeing how he reverts during the Illusion story for the remainder of the story, I'm assuming he's 'cured' - but yes, it does match his pre-sickness form as well :)

Servbot001 20:52, April 26, 2010 (UTC)Servbot001
 * Even so, stating that he's "cured" implies that he's like that the entire game, when he's not. Not even in other stories in Illusionary mode. He's still "sick" Toki in his own official mode and other stories. Plus, any Hokuto fan will tell you that his alternate is kinda what he used to look like before he sacrificed himself to close the shelter with Kenshiro, Yuria, and other people moments before the 199X bombing. It's easier to just say that it's his alternate to avoid future confusion. Just like with Rei and Raoh and company. Sake neko 21:11, April 26, 2010 (UTC)

Well, it's part of the Illusion mode story that he gets cured. He does in fact change in the other stories within Illusion mode to reflect his non-sick condition. Just because I was curious, I went and played around with him in Non-Sick mode and he's still got the blast scar on his back. So, that being said, he is officially cured and not pre-game Toki. The Illusion mode follows some alternate ideas that fans of Hokuto wonder about - what would Toki be like if he got better, etc. So that being said, the alternate outfit is NOT pre-199X bombing but rather Alternate History Cured...or something similar.Servbot001 02:55, April 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * Fine, you can say that he's cured on his page if you want. It doesn't really sit well with me though if you don't update his page without saying more about his original mode though. Sake neko 15:15, April 27, 2010 (UTC)

No bad blood sir. Was just saying for posterity sake. When I re-edit it, I'll def word it to make sense more to the users.Servbot001 15:38, April 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * That's fine with me. :) Frankily, I'm happy that there's someone else wanting to edit anything for the Hokuto characters. If there's anyone else you would like to do the same with, then go ahead. Sake neko 15:42, April 27, 2010 (UTC)

NA
Do you know any good site that has portraits of Nobunaga's ambition? I have found a site but it's in japanese which I don't know.Yukimurasanada 18:19, May 3, 2010 (UTC)

Xiao Qiao ~
Could you put the new artwork (without Da Qiao) instead of the one it currently has? Prompted me because I can not change this picture. Thank you. Here is the link of the artwork: http://moe.mabul.org/up/moe/2010/05/11/img-020351nemn2.png Fantajia 00:04, May 11, 2010 (UTC)

And if I give you the artworks of other characters (Cai Wenji, Jiang Wei, Xiang Yu, ETC, ETC), you can replace them, please? Fantajia 01:12, May 11, 2010 (UTC)

Article of the month.
Why do not you change the article of the month with the release of Samurai Warriors 3? He begins from the date on DW6. Fantajia 16:52, May 12, 2010 (UTC)

"actually this has a horrible file name and shouldn't be kept" Horrible?

It bothers you to be a little more respectful of the work that provides other? I know that loves to do everything yourself but calm yourself, you're not superior to others. Fantajia 19:17, May 16, 2010 (UTC)

Do it yourself in this case. But do not think you do everything perfectly, too, believe me, you make more mistakes. Banish me to this Wiki if you want, there's no incentive to work with such assholes. Fantajia 19:22, May 16, 2010 (UTC)

sangoku heroes
thx for sharing many great pictures of characters, didn't expect dong zhuo to be a handsome guy though XD. but ranmaru...i was like O.O!!!! is ranmaru receive gender change in this series? XD
 * According to the official website and description, Ranmaru is STILL A BOY. Hahaha, yeah right. Like, I said, he's one of the girliest ones I've seen in awhile. :) If you want to see more pictures of other EX characters, I found that Online Gamer has nearly all of them. It also never hurts to see the official website too. Share with other fans too; I doubt there's any chance we'll be able to play it outside of Asia. :) Sake neko 15:29, May 17, 2010 (UTC)

Toshiie Maeda
But in the games he wasn't at Ise but was at Okehazama, and judging from some other characters, these "significant" battles don't really need to be historical but instead important in the games for the characters. How about keeping both?

And I did some further researchs and Toshiie indeed took part in Okehazama historically.
 * Toshiie was written to have been there, but it's debatable if he actually participated. A few historical records says he didn't actually fight and was put on guard duty at best; the Taikoki and other books like it said he fought. I've only seen him actively participate as the fighting force of Okehazama in novels and plays. The Nobunaga Koki is vague about his actual participation for the battle as well.


 * Unless I have an extremely poor memory, he's at Ise-Nagashima in the SW:XL versions of the stage (he was at least in one of the Nagashima conflicts historically BTW). And I'd rather the significant battles be historically focused since the games flip-flop way too easily (unless they're historical simulation titles). Sake neko 19:05, May 17, 2010 (UTC)

Gaming Hub
Hello Sake Neko,

I just noticed that you added a link to my Wiki (The Three Kingdoms Wiki). First of all, thanks for doing this. And second, I see you also added a link to Sanguo Zhi Wiki. That was my first Wiki, but I abandoned it, so you can remove it and perhaps add another link to the hub instead. --- Zantam03 ( Talk ) 15:06, May 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * Okay, if that's how you feel, I respect that. Sake neko 17:12, May 24, 2010 (UTC)

Hi,Sake Neko,long time no see.How are you? It's me,the big fan of Koei Saiyuki Journey West. You once said that you were looking for an artbook,right? Is this the one? http://www.hlj.com/product/SYU74091
 * Hey, how you've been? :) Sorry, but that book is really different from the one I'm looking for. What I'm angling to find -anywhere for a decent price- is technically not an artbook but a manual: http://www.gamecity.ne.jp/media/book/game/game_etc/other/saiyuuki.htm. The Hoshin Engi one that I'm looking for at the moment is this one: http://www.gamecity.ne.jp/media/book/game/hoshin/hoshinOG.htm (but really, I'd be happy to see any of these books). I call these books artbooks because I have seen photos of these books and they has full body pictures of the characters inside of them. It has other information that I'd like to know as well, such as character profiles and an interview with the character designer.


 * On another note, I'm currently trying to find out who voices who in this game. It's really hard to discern since all that everyone knows for sure is the first five party members. Plus, what little each character says is usually limited to exclamations or small utterances. I watched the Japanese credits for the voice actors and I'll list them out along with my current guesses on who voices who. A question mark means that it's still just a guess while an asterisk are ones that I know for sure.


 * These are the ones people know for certain:


 * Sōichirō Hoshi - Sanzo (male)
 * Yui Horie - Sanzo (female)
 * Yuji Ueda - Goku
 * Naoki Tatsuta - Hakkai
 * Nobuyuki Hiyama - Gojo
 * Maria Yamamoto - Ryorin
 * Atsuko Enomoto - Kikka


 * This list includes ones listed in credits along with my guesses:
 * Sōichirō Hoshi - Sanzo (male), Kannon (?)
 * Yui Horie - Sanzo (female), Kano Usenko (?), Sei Obo (?)
 * Yuji Ueda - Goku, Deva (?), Kannon (?)
 * Naoki Tatsuta - Hakkai, Nyoi (?), Reikan (?)
 * Nobuyuki Hiyama - Gojo
 * Maria Yamamoto - Ryorin, Kano Usenko (?), a villager girl (?)
 * Atsuko Enomoto - Kikka, Sei Obo (?)
 * Ryō Horikawa - Asura (fairly certain but still unsure), Jiro Shingun (?), an inns keeper ( * )
 * Toshiyuki Morikawa - Deva (?), Jiro Shingun (?), Kannon (?), Reikan (?)
 * Narumi Tsunoda - Nata (?), Kano Usenko (?), Garda (?)
 * Hitomo Oikawa - Tessen (?), Posion Ivy (?), Nagini (?)
 * Hironori Miyata - Ox King ( * ), Rhinon (?)
 * Miho Yamada - The twins (?), Windy (?), Sei Obo (fairly certain but might change), a villager girl (?)
 * Osamu Hosoi - Hei Reiko ( * ), Ko Horo (?)
 * Sayaka Aida - Tessen (?), Nagini (?)
 * Yasunori Masutani - Bunchu ( * ), Rhinon (?)
 * Kentarō Itō - Yasksha ( * ), Kannon (?), Reikan (?)
 * Takkō Ishimori - Elder Homei ( * ), Chin Genshi ( * )


 * Well, I'm still trying to figure this one out. At least the voice actors are there though. Sake neko 16:21, June 3, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks,i'm fine here.I see,i will see if there is anything i can help. If you ever need my help,just leave a message here,i will try my very best to help you. ^^

a question about wen zhong in fengshen yanyi 2 and mystic heroes
my question is which Wen Zhong appeared in Mystic Heroes storyline, the evil one or the good one? because the Wen Zhong in Mystic Heroes looks exactly like the good Wen Zhong in fengshen yanyi 2, but in the Wen Zhong article it says that according to Mystic Heroes his evil counterpart was sealed away, but the evil Wen Zhong has red eyes and his third eye opened and his attire's colors slightly different from his opposite, so please answer me thank you.
 * I haven't really played Mystic Heroes to be honest (haven't been able to get a copy), but based on the opening movie and what I know of it, both of them come back. The evil one was sealed with E Lai, Daji, and King Zhou and was revived with them. Don't me how on that, I don't know how either. The good side is most likely revived due to his evil counterpart arising and tries to help Ziya and other characters again. His third eye only opens up in the first game; it stays shut in the other titles. Pretty much the only way to tell the 3D Wen Zhongs apart is by their attitude, occasionally their weapon, and eye color (red=evil; blue=good). Speaking of Wen Zhong, I should really rewrite the FY2 section on his page; it's a little inaccurate. :/ Sake neko 14:47, July 25, 2010 (UTC)

hey you
why did you delete the history for zhuge liang and guan yu i know it was a lazy copy and paste but at least i put the effort to include information now before you go and just delete random stuff just take the time to think and at least appreciate that someone went to different sites and copied and pasted and if you have not noticed most of it was not from wikipedia

Hey Man
Hey have you heard of DW7's release on a forum they already uploaded th portraits wht do you think if we add them here?

http://s13.zetaboards.com/koeiwarriors/topic/6730468/3/

Yukimura Sanada 10:37, September 16, 2010 (UTC)

Request
Hi,Sake Neko. How are you? It's me,the huge fan of koei saiyuki journey west. Could you upload the rest of the saiyuki characters images like the eight devils and minor characters when you are free? Thanks. ^^
 * Okay, think I'll try doing that sometime this week then. I've been looking forward to finishing the rest of those pages. I can't any Journey of the West summaries for the characters though, I haven't finished reading the entire novel yet. Sake neko 15:55, September 22, 2010 (UTC)

Reply
Hi,Sake Neko,

It's me,the huge fan of Saiyuki. Oh,you have the Koei Saiyuki Journey West novel? The last time i saw it was in japanese, I wasn't sure if there is any english version out there.
 * Well, it's actually a two-book retelling of the game. One tells how Sanzo gets his party and the other tells an episode during her journey to India. One says that Sanzo's male, the other stress he's a she. I don't personally own them unfortunately and I don't think they were ever localized into English. Sorry. :( Sake neko 14:32, September 28, 2010 (UTC)

Reply
Oh, i see. It's ok,you don't have to apologize. ^^
 * Saiyuki fan, are you still watching this talk page? I'm just giving you a notice that I won't be doing Saiyuki pages until Wikia's updated with their new skin and all that jazz (October 6th). This wiki might need some changes done to it to conform to the new changes. It'll also take me a day or so to get used to the content space too so bear with me on that. If everything is still okay and not too bad on this wiki, then I'll restart those pages again. I don't really want to upload a bunch of pages or images, just to find out that I may have to readjust them in someway for the wikia new skin. Cheers. :3 Sake neko 18:58, October 4, 2010 (UTC)

Reply
Hi,Sake Neko.sorry for the late reply. Never mind,it's ok. Whatever it suits you,i don't mind. Thank you very much for the message,have a nice day ^^

Warriors Orochi Weapon Images
Could you tell me where I can find good quality versions of those images? Or a specific way to extract them? Lon3wolf 20:16, October 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * Um... take screenshots directly from the game? I have the PS2 and PC versions so I don't know what else to tell you. There probably is a way to extract them from the PC version but I find nothing really wrong with old fashioned print-screen. Sake neko 16:33, October 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * I know, but the best resolution I can get right now is 195x139 (I use Warriors Orochi Z PC version, weapon gallery, 1280x720 Windowed). Your screenshots are good quality 244x174. Do you mind telling me what you used to screen a weapon, let's say, Dodomeki's Demon Bracers for example. Lon3wolf 08:36, October 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * Print-screen at a higher image res then crop in Photoshop. Nothing much more than that. I recall getting the weapons first and then taking their caps from the Gallery section. I think anyways. Sorry, I can't remember much. >_< If that helps you, then I feel a little better about it.


 * But seriously... I don't really think any other character in the WO series really needs WO weapon images on the wiki. They're either exactly the same as DW5 or SW2 (SW2XL and SW3 to an extent). The only difference between them aesthetically for the image is the background. The weapon might a slightly higher render than their respective PC games, but it's still the same... Sake neko 14:57, October 24, 2010 (UTC)

Jin Category
Might I suggest moving it above Other but below Wu/Wei/Shu in the categories section? I think it'd look a lot better that way considering Other is more.. generally speaking and Jin is an actual "Kingdom/Empire".

~Shadowclaimer 16:18, October 26, 2010 (UTC)

Okay then. Glad I wasn't the only one who thought that. I can't properly reply but yeah. Will do.Sake neko 16:11, October 26, 2010 (UTC)

Yea I'll get a proper username and such set up eventually ;D, I'm very happy with your updates (I happened upon the Sima Shi one by accident when I refreshed his page while reading it) and figured I'd throw that bit of advice your way. Also I like the color choice, a Cyan or Turquoise fits well. Shadowclaimer 16:18, October 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks so much! It looks a lot better. And feel free to join whenever you feel like it. :D Sake neko 16:14, October 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * Will do, I'm enjoying it around here, I tend to find characters that don't have a solid character in the game itself and draw them for my own amusement and practice, so this site tends to consume most of my "Supposed to be working" time at work. I'm really hoping they go with a Han Dynasty faction as well just to organize loyal Han Followers and some of the generals of the pre-Three Kingdoms era as well. Shadowclaimer 16:18, October 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * Personally, I want a good Zhu Jun in the games being playable but I know it will never happen. Sake neko 17:50, October 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * Personally, I want a good Zhu Jun in the games being playable but I know it will never happen. Sake neko 17:50, October 26, 2010 (UTC)

I think we might see He Jin in the future sometime, Zhu Jun would be badass though, I mean there's hope for anyone, in reality Pang Tong only showed up and survived for a single battle historically, I'm pretty sure that opens the table for anyone to make it in the games lol Shadowclaimer 17:51, October 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, but it's kinda a shame to think about it from that perspective. It's like Omega Force goes, "Hey, so-and-so did this really cool thing like once in their entire life. Let's make them playable!" or something like. Though to be fair, Pang Tong did plenty of neat things while in office and did quite a bit for the one campaign he does. Well, here's hoping I guess. Sake neko 17:55, October 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * Haha yea I agree, I think what sucks more about it all is they'll probably tend to pick more "edgy" or non-typical characters to attempt to round out the teams as opposed to ones that may not be so drastically different but were really important or genuinely great people for both their actions and attitudes. I think Pang De is a good counter-example of that though, he had a great backstory, great character design, and was based on a character that in previous titles was just an npc, so that gives me some solid hope.
 * Shadowclaimer 17:58, October 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * Shadowclaimer 17:58, October 26, 2010 (UTC)

DW7 Asterisks
Might I petition for the return of it? I mean I give you priority over me (You know how to work a wiki more than I do) but I figure something to denote who's new to the series as a whole would be helpful. Maybe not asterisks but something. However, as I said, you know Wiki's better than I do, and if you really think such a thing doesn't belong I'll go ahead and cede my opinion. Shadowclaimer 15:28, November 2, 2010 (UTC)

Alright if you think so, just figured I'd double check. Shadowclaimer 15:38, November 2, 2010 (UTC)

sima zhao and wang yuanji in dw
You said in your contribution that Wang Yuanji doesnt marry to Sima Zhao in DW series, however in the magazine it said that Wang Yuanji is Sima Zhao's wife isnt it? or was it my japanese mistake?
 * No, it doesn't. What Famitsu reports is nearly exactly the same as the official website. The official website doesn't have them mentioned as "husband and wife" in their character descriptions (夫 or 妻 are the key characters you should look for). Usually this type of note is stated in the first sentence of their description (style name -if they have one-, some family lineage, spouses).


 * So they aren't married in the games at the start of their story. That doesn't mean their entire story might say otherwise, but, at this point, they're not. The whole married thing is probably added so people know who she was historically. This is somewhat similar to the Ginchiyo and Muneshige character misunderstanding in SW3. Even if they are historically married to one another, they aren't in the games. Sake neko 14:38, November 13, 2010 (UTC)

That means the official website is more accurate than the magazine? And about this character 妻 which means wife is in her bio in the magazine, this is the link of the magazine scan http://www.koeiwarriors.co.uk/images/magazinescans/dw7/dw7-1a.jpg

Her bio is between her legs, i must apologize to you in advance for bothering you about this but i just want to make sure the information was right
 * Yes yes, I know about all of that. And my point still stands. The magazine scan says the exact same thing as the official website. The magazine scan adds that she is historically Sima Zhao's wife, yes, but this omitted from the official website. All wives within the series are already identified in the character descriptions. Zhen Ji's profile doesn't have the family notice in the first sentence of her character description. However, further along within it, Cao Pi is mentioned to have met her and married her. Da Qiao has her as Sun Ce's wife in her second sentence, and her younger sister is mentioned right after it.


 * Wang Yuanji has absolutely no mention of being a wife to anyone within it (her only family listed is her father; or to translate what the official description says for her, "Daughter of the esteemed Wei vassal, Wang Su"). Also, if you're wondering, Bao Sanniang, Cai Wenji, and Xing Cai are also counted as single in their character descriptions.


 * It's no bother really. I do appreciate it when someone questions their sources. :) Sake neko 15:44, November 13, 2010 (UTC)

Jin Dynasty
Hi. I want to say you something. I think that Jin should be a separate issue and not the Jin Dynasty. Why? Look at Shu. It is separate topic. It isn't "Shu Dynasty" it is "Shu". You know what I mean right? We should leave "Jin" not "Jin Dynasty". Believe me.

Cloudziuszek

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User_talk:Ericard 14:57, December 27, 2010 (UTC)

MV
Yeah, Zhuge Liang was in that series along with the other certain Dynasty Warriors. That video does look old and it doesn't premier in certain states. But I am really need to watch some new three romance kingdom series if it exist, can you recommended me some new videos?User_talk:Ericard 16:44, December 27, 2010 (UTC)

Ok, thanks. That video was my editor actually based from Lubu vs three brothers.User_talk:Ericard 16:55, December 27, 2010 (UTC)

I tried to look all over the place for Orochi 2, but it was out of stock. So I brought Dynasty Warriors 6 and I was so curious that why the gameplay was so bad compare to SW games? And it was my first time playing DW and I was so regret for buying the games.User_talk:Ericard 01:49, January 10, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, it is just that the Mission and the stages was very complicated compare to SW series. Also, there are alot of changes in DW6 from the good looking graphics and gameplay. It is just that the mission was quite difficult compare to the other series.User_talk:Ericard 03:35, January 10, 2011 (UTC)

DW6
I actually brought DW6 because I like Cao Pi, Cao Cao,Lubu, Zhou Yu and Chou Yun very much. But there are some changes that I dislike, Zhou Yu wields a rod supposed to be warrior blade, Xiahou Dun(One eyed man, I was blocked in the page without a reason) wields a club supposed to be pirate blade, Guan Yu hair was uncovered(Supposed to be hair covered that was told in the legend).

Some I disagree also:

-Camera angle was closer compare to SW.

-Can't call my horse anytime.

-Player character slow walk compare to SW.

-Stages was very-very hard while chooses normal.

And in PS2 version, in CG movies, there are some pixel(low quality) can be seen during the CG Movies. Sake Neko, howabout your's? Does your screen have any pixel's during the CG Movies?User_talk:Ericard 07:24, January 10, 2011 (UTC)

DW6 con't
No wonder there is a pixelation in some battle scenes. And thanks for the other tips too.

This is how I feel for the first time I play story mode using Zhou Yun in snow battle, it's no big deal to defeat the fellow officers. But since Lu Bu appears, he's cool. So when I encounter him, he attack me only a 5-hit attack and WTF O_O!!! I blink my eyes and is this how I was game over in just a few minutes to beat the whole army until Lu Bu defeat me??? So I feel the gameplay was worst since it was the first time that the Koei didn't promote the stage 1 for players playing easy to win. Now, my further mission was Liu Bei defense in the middle of the map and my mission is to protect him for not battle any Sun Quan's officer, but I was beaten by Gan Ning that so HARD to win >.<. Now, I've won Zhou Yun musou in Level 20 above and starting Cao Pi in the new games.

And I like those new looking character changes, except on Xiaohou Dun(Wields Spike), Zhou Yu(with Rod), and Guan Yu(uncover Hair).

So far that I figured there is some weakness part in Zhou Yun, and I thinks it's about his attack or something...

User_talk:Ericard 01:48, January 11, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, cause I am getting better in DW6 right now. I just need to train the character up level to conquer the musou stages easily. Although Zhou Yun is good for beginners and he's very strong in melee range. I've beat his story mode, now advance in Cao Pi in storyline. But still, I felt that the walk is a bit slow in DW6 games, so I got no choice but to play it... User_talk:Ericard 09:01, January 11, 2011 (UTC)

And I research all the stores that sell PS2 Dvd's and they said all Koei's game was soldout!!! So, I'll wait another stock for OW2. And I'll buy 2 piece of it.User_talk:Ericard 09:01, January 11, 2011 (UTC)

OW
I just don't get it, why there are Dynasty Warrior characters in Orochi launch such slow fireballs by pressing Triangle button? Does that fireball skill based from DW?User_talk:Ericard 20:08, January 11, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. So far I use the fireball just for fun. But it might be useful with trapping on enemy officers. I know that moves available on Zhou Yu, Cao Cao, and Cao Pi. User_talk:Ericard 21:28, January 11, 2011 (UTC)

DW6
I've beat DW6 with Zhou Yun, Cao Pi, and Zhou Yu. And does DW6 Movies on every character actually are different scenes?User_talk:Ericard 16:01, January 12, 2011 (UTC)

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I've using Xiahou Dun(Cao Cao's Cousin), he is very slow and I think he is very worst without his sword. User_talk:Ericard 16:25, January 13, 2011 (UTC)

I've done playing Xiahou Dun, and I like his movies but dislike his basic slow attacks. Also, Zhang He's movie was almost the funny part XD..User_talk:Ericard 05:53, January 18, 2011 (UTC)

I've beat Ma Chao's Legend and he's very strong. By the way, which one is better: The Lance or the Heavy Sword?User_talk:Ericard 11:04, January 18, 2011 (UTC)

Strikeforce 2 English?
Is there an official announcement for the english version of Dynasty Warriors: Strikeforce 2? cause you said: "well, then. this is the actual name for this unless it's actually going to get localized"

Sake Neko, although I didn't input the character information properly, Kyosei directly block me on Xiahou Dun and Ma Chao's articles. He seems to be rude by simply block me without a reason. Could you please unblock me? User_talk:Ericard 12:10, January 19, 2011 (UTC)

DW7 Character Chart
You should've expected me to pop up on this subject =P

I think we should keep the chart, at the very least until all characters in 5 are confirmed. Personally I'd be more towards keeping it permanently and flagging new characters to the series somehow, or just restyling the chart itself to be less of an eyesore. This is moreso me trying to seek a middle ground for keeping the chart if we ever hit a point where it can be considered removeable.

I actually suggest when it hits the point that all former characters are confirmed, we could do a listing of only new characters that contains a short summary of each newcomer. IE: (Not exactly like this but you get the point)

Insert at the top "All characters from Dynasty Warriors 6 return in the latest entry, as well as the characters removed in 6 (Xiao Qiao, Xing Cai, Guan Ping, and Pang De)" or something of the sort.

In a similar vein, we have a list that hurts your eyes on Gundam Musou 3's page, any ideas of something we can do with that?

Shadowclaimer 17:41, January 19, 2011 (UTC)

I understand you said that for the future, what I am bringing up is a discussion for the future. It shouldn't just get dropped without some discussion of it, personally what I was pertaining to in regards to the character summaries was that the Character subsection of the page shouldn't be left as a simple "All characters return from previous games, they add the Jin Dynasty and some new characters", it should provide some info on the new characters, the new faction, and in general spark the interest in the reader to WANT to visit the main pages for new characters. I wasn't intending to spark a rant or an argument or whatever, I was just trying to discuss a point with you.

(Gah I need to start constructing my arguments better instead of having to reword/edit them 500,000 times) Shadowclaimer 18:04, January 19, 2011 (UTC)

Updated my previous post while you were typing that response =3 had to clarify it (I was rambling in it) Shadowclaimer 18:14, January 19, 2011 (UTC)

DWO Edit Page
Ah yea about this, my apologies, my computer blew last week so I haven't had access to DWO (I use the wiki at work or on my laptop). When I get it back up I'll get right on it. - Shadowclaimer 18:15, January 19, 2011 (UTC)

DW7 Character Edit
Just letting you know so you aren't confused, was actually reverting the change you were also reverting at the same time. So you don't think I was editting you or anything. Just bad timing xD Shadowclaimer 20:39, January 19, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks Sake Neko!
Thanks for editing Liu Chan, Liu Bei and anothers. You know... I don't understand some things but I want to help Koei wikia, because I am a fan. Tell my only one thing, okay? Why Zhang Jiao is bald?! I cannot understand it! xD I never liked him but he was funny to me.

Sorry for hurting english. I am from poland so much words cannot me good.

I found that Liu Bei is the strongest character in DW6 Shu and he is extremely powerful and speed. Also, Lu Shun is also stronger than Cao Pi. And the quote keep dove in my mind from Wei Yan that he says, "You... strong... me... stronger!". User_talk:Ericard 22:43, January 20, 2011 (UTC)

Fear the Tiger of Jiang Dong!!!
In Sun family, there are three mens, Sun Jian, Sun Ce and Sun Quan. Which one is the best character in DW6? User_talk:Ericard 05:17, January 24, 2011 (UTC)

Looks like I rather choose Sun Jian and Sun Quan. Both of them really look powerful. And one more character to go, cause I playing Diao Chan right now to get Lu Bu. By the way, do you know how to get the very best Horses? User_talk:Ericard 00:05, January 25, 2011 (UTC)

Hai neko nice to meet you.i'm newbie here,i have been search the net to search info about how to unlock "oath of honor" movie in sw2 empires.In faqs by other cheat game website like gamefaqs not given correct info for this.It seem that you have a lot knowledge about japan medieval history and koei games,maybe you can help me out?

Hi sake neko thanks for the info.I've been try but it still doesnt work to unlock that "oath of honor" movie.Can you give me more detailed info about this?Just like how many times masamune must attack the trio?Are one of them must be lord or not,in what shoreland area masamune attack them?I play as masamune or the trio?If you have original sw2 can you tell me in what even that movie occur?Because this is the same movie just like in sw2,but you unlock it differently in sw2 empire,you must meet the proper condition to make it occur .So please can you help me investigate it?Or are your friend has sw2 empire save game that have all the movie?Is japanese wikis in japanese language?Because i cant find it in the net.Thanks for it and your article very usefull to me to understand sw2 storyline and japanese history,keep the good work, andre ok thanks it finally works,i think i little bit confused about shoreland province in this game,thanks for the help

Between the two empires
I've brought the DW5:Empire and it was extremely awesome than SW2:E !!! The edit character feature is much more better than the SW version. So, what is the best way to unlock their custom parts?User_talk:Ericard 22:46, February 16, 2011 (UTC)

I found that DW5 version was hard compare with DW4 version. So, I will look around..User_talk:Ericard 22:52, February 16, 2011 (UTC)

Pretty...
I think Xing Cai is better than Diao Chan. What do you think?

User_talk:Ericard 03:56, February 19, 2011 (UTC)

It's complicated. But yeah, Koei was really a good in design women and man. Anyway, I saw Liu Chan's potrait and do you think that Liu Chan look like man enough? I've think of that he looks like Zhang He's personality or something...User_talk:Ericard 22:14, February 19, 2011 (UTC)

I seeeeee.... no wonder Liu Chan look like a Tactician style. Also, I can't wait to see his skills and battle syle. If you already purchase DW7, I hope you can show me his whole moveset in DW7 video clip. And by the way, DW5Empire is a worth to play, because it's better than even before DW5 version and you may edit the ending as well. :-) User_talk:Ericard 21:48, February 22, 2011 (UTC)

HELP the Gundams!
Excuse me Sake neko i'm trying to edit more of the Dynasty warriors gundam pages, but i'm kinda new at wiki and i've noticed you fixed a lot of my problems like the chart for the characters so if you can could you help me out from TG13.

Thanks Sake the reason I think we should work on dynasty warriors gundam is since its part of koei wiki to you know and the new game is coming out soon,thank you and please don't reply if your feeling to sick hope you get better TG13,actually I'm having trouble inputting a picture on to the MS info box it says something about putting the file name and uploading, I did put the file name and yet it still didn't put the picture.

DLC
Hi Sake neko, I'm a new wiki member, first of all, thanks to all your edits here. Second, I want u to tell me, what is DLC??? and how do you download it on the upcomiing DW7?? And how much does it cost??

Appromaxy 7~9$User_talk:Ericard 02:28, March 12, 2011 (UTC)

Between Water Margin and Three Kingdoms.
Do you know about the storyline between WATER MARGIN and THREE KINGDOMS? Cause I need to know where WATER MARGIN based from..User_talk:Ericard 02:27, March 12, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks letting me know. Yeah, the pronounce is the same sort from TV series Shi~hu~Zhuan. "Shi" is pronounce as Water, but the rest I donno.. So, I now finally knows from you that the story was based after ROTK series.User_talk:Ericard 02:30, March 14, 2011 (UTC)

ROTK Movie
By the way, I've seen Andy Lau's ROTK and it's a awesome, pure sadness story for the fans of ROTK.

By the way, can you answer a few simple questions:
 * So, is there any difference between ROTK The Movie and The Redcliff I & II?
 * 1) Can you tell me that which one is better? ROTK The Movie or The Redcliff I & II?

User_talk:Ericard 02:30, March 14, 2011 (UTC)

Yes.
You are right. It's hard to judge both of the films. I've never seen before the redcliff, but I hope redcliff is better than the TK The Movie. I preffer to see Andy Lau as Zhou Yun in Redcliff, but Hu Jun already play his rolls as Zhao Yun. The director supposed to change Takeshi Kaneshiro as Zhao Yun to be the right answer... So, that's why I still look for the Redcliff I and II dvd around.

And did you said "The Lost Bladesman"? It supposed to be Donnie Fighting Guy plays his role as Guan Yu, and it looks interesting as well.User_talk:Ericard 04:09, March 14, 2011 (UTC)

Only if I got a chance to watch Redcliff, then I will know how Zhou Yun actings.. That 95-episode series is one of the best of all. They sold in my country, but with chinese and bahasa subtitle. So, that's really sucks. All I want is english subtitle, but how do you watch those?User_talk:Ericard 09:04, March 14, 2011 (UTC)

In Warriors Orochi 2, the funny thing is that every Samurai Officers use the same moveset based from Zhou Yun and Sun Jian. They doesn't even used the previous moveset from Warriors Orochi 1 and that was absolutely hilarious.User_talk:Ericard 23:07, March 16, 2011 (UTC)

thumb|300px|right|English TrailersI found another movie. The storyline looks different but the ideas of the main characters looks closer to Koei, such as Yukimura and Zhou Yun's based from weapon and ending. Hopefully everything in that film was approved to be licensed.

User_talk:Ericard 11:11, March 25, 2011 (UTC)

You're right, no offence.User_talk:Ericard 20:44, March 25, 2011 (UTC)

Hey Sake neko it's me TG13 thanks for helping i've been out for a while. I'm really trying to get the ZZ gundam pages edited so i've ben practicing in a sandbox, i'll keep doing my best.

I've seen the episode 1 series in English subtitles and the story was accurated if you don't accept it, you may correct any wrong grammar and spellings.

http://koeifanon.wikia.com/wiki/Romance_of_the_Three_Kingdoms_%282010_TV_series%29

User_talk:Ericard 06:30, April 4, 2011 (UTC)

It's not novel, I found it from the TV series. But nvm...User_talk:Ericard 06:35, April 4, 2011 (UTC)

As you wish. It don't fit here.User_talk:Ericard 06:38, April 4, 2011 (UTC)

DLC Costumes
thats so ... im sorry, but that's just stupid. Every character is going to get multiple DLC Costumes, and the images of these costumes is already hard enough to find as it is. One of the primary purpouses of a Wiki is to provide information, as well as decent art work ... What ... What if we made a section dedicated to the DLC of DW7? List images that we can provide as well as information on the other DLCs? Images of the costumes, music, stages and the extra weapons we can get? it would be a simple and easy way to show exactly what DLC we get. Because this wiki, while nice and All, hardly any of the pages on this wiki give information regarding the DLC. it is mentioned, but you guys dont bother listing the prices of the DLC for PSN or Xbox Live, what the DLC is, or when it is available. Dont you think that would be important enough to warrant a page of its own? Ixbran 21:42, June 16, 2011 (UTC)

Sense i have not played any of the DWGundom games, ill only be doing the DLC for 7 and empires, any who wish to do the others are free too. Ixbran 00:11, June 17, 2011 (UTC)
 * this is a wiki, its meant to provide all forms of information. even if you do think that the "DLC irrelevant and horribly optional." It is still there, and needs to be covered.


 * Okay, would it be alright to upload the DW7 Renders of the characters in Past DW Costumes? for the sake of the DLC Page? also, could you help me with the lay out? some issues have come up in Real Life and i am feeling very emotionally drained at the moment. any and all help would be appreciated. Ixbran 02:12, June 17, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for cleaning up.
Hi there. I just wanted to say thank you for doing such a great job cleaning up a lot of my errors in the characters' stories in DW7. I'm not really that good in writing, just to let you know. Thanks again, and hopefully we can all work together to improve this awesome wiki!

Yuna.Fan

scans
kk's, im just really excited. sorry if i caused any trouble. Ixbran 18:39, July 20, 2011 (UTC)


 * Oh? what is it you were hoping shed be like? what is it about her that you dont like? if you dont mind my asking. Ixbran 20:53, July 20, 2011 (UTC)

Sima Yi
I know his removal from Wei is, so far, only for one game. But i feel having him on the page for both kingdoms is a waste of space. So what if he "Was" with Wei, he isn't anymore. KOEI acknowledges Sima Yi as mainly with Jin, and only temporarily with Wei. Its sorta like how Even though Wu wasn't established till Sun Quan took over, Ce and Jian are still Wu characters. Up till then they were just a Free Lance Army. Also, having him in the Wei kingdom section takes up unnecessary space. I mean why should he have special treatment, just because He Used to be Wei. Hes no longer part of the wei Kingdom, so i see no reason for him to be there anymore.. Ixbran 05:02, August 14, 2011 (UTC)


 * Well i never expected Zuo Ci and Pang De to be removed, they were still playable characters. But Sima Yi's is a different case entirely, he wasn't cut, hes part of a completely different kingdom now. As of DW7 hes no longer Wei, and is going to be Jin from now on. Labeling him as a Wei character is confusing. Yes he "WAS" part of the wei kingdom, but he isn't anymore. so what if he was in the past, in this current moment in time, the present, he isn't anymore. Chances are he will only ever be a Wei character again, only if they remove the Jin Kingdom, which i am very doubtful of ever happening. A Cut character is different from a Moved Character. Ixbran 05:49, August 14, 2011 (UTC)

MO2/WO3 Rumor Confirmed
new WO Game Is Going to be released

Proof: Link Link

New WO Character is named Kaguya, the bamboo princess from moon who appeared in a popular Japanese folklore 'Tale of the Bamboo Cutter'. Ixbran 03:38, September 28, 2011 (UTC)

Ixbran 05:39, September 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * Personally, i'm VERY excited! Im a huge fan of Cross Over games, and combining DW and SW in the original WO game was just ... EPIC for me, i loved it. I Cant wait to see all the characters interact in this one, as well as alll the new ones that are going to be in it. I REALLY REALLY REALLY Hope they put the Strike Force 2 characters in this game, ive always wanted to play as Beauty Yu and Xi Wang Mu.But im agents importing so i never played SF2


 * Of course, to each their own right?




 * But yea, i am very excited for this game, it gets me all giddy and jumpy just thinking about it, im not even sure if i'll be able to sleep tonight, lol. by the way, better scans wee found.

Scan 2 Ixbran 07:09, September 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * Scan 1

Shuten Doji Folklore Section
Why did you remove it? I know its not the prettiest bit of information, but it doesnt change the fact that's what he was like. Not every character in Chinese and Japanese history had a pleasing background. and while its true this Shuten doesn't remember anything, that doesn't change the fact the origins of his name sake was like that. Ixbran 11:33, October 7, 2011 (UTC)

Ixbran 11:37, October 7, 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh i see, alright then. Sorry i wasn't able to provide more info than i had already. I only know what others have been saying on the KW forums, and that's the only bit of information people seem to know about, or talk about, so that's all i could add. so again, i am very sorry for not being able to provide more info.

Ixbran 19:43, October 7, 2011 (UTC)
 * My goodness, that is alot of new information *just saw it al and skimmed through it* Wow .... thats wow ...

I also think hes drop dead sexy, lol. *has a thing for inhuman creatures such as Oni, Orcs and Trolls (of the WOW kind)*. So I am eager to see what hes like in WO3. Thank you SO much for all the infromation you provided, its awesome that your so passonate about this sort of thing, and the fact you grew up on it makes it even all the more better your like a god send when it comes to this wiki due to the info you can provide. Ixbran 20:19, October 7, 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh no its perfectly okay! I love the fact that in some of his interpretations, hes a son of Orochi. i hope that is implemented in WO3. it would be nice seeing Orochi having some sort of family in this game series.
 * D

I dont think he'd be Da Jis son at all, or so id hope. But i do think it would be interesting, and if this Shuten is based on one of his kinder more benevolent incarnations, its possible he could bring what little good is in Orochi out and make it so hes not evil. Then, in WO4, they can all team up and take down Shi Huangdi, Strike Force Styl!*goes fury mode and begins dashing around in the air slashing my Edit Warrior Weapon like a mad man, till i fly into a wall* Ixbran 20:37, October 7, 2011 (UTC)
 * XD

Main page tweaks
I can't change it back no, it has to be set up this way for ads to work properly. You are free to change things as you see fit, but the ad might end up breaking/overlapping your content. Also, Whopper gave me the ok to make the changes. - Wagnike2 20:31, October 13, 2011 (UTC)


 * The right hand ad that has been on almost every wiki for the last 2 years, you can see it here. Also, when I contacted an admin, I looked up who had edited last and it was Whopper. - Wagnike2 20:48, October 13, 2011 (UTC)


 * The ads weren't turned on here, hence the need to tweak it. They needed to be tweak. - Wagnike2 21:00, October 13, 2011 (UTC)

New WO Character announced
Chinese character, Nezha. so just who is he, what part of chinese history dose he come from? Ixbran 01:29, October 19, 2011 (UTC)

Ixbran 08:15, October 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * KKs, i went and read up on him on his KOEI Wiki profile after i asked, cause when i had asked i had forgotten who Ne Zha was, lol. he seems interesting and am very fond of his design. cant wait to play as him!


 * Well, since time travel is involved in this game, whos to say someone from a more technologically advanced future came to the games point in time and used technology to revive him from the dead? I see his design as possibly a way for Crimson Sea characters to become part of the series. KOEI Did say they were going to include characters from Non Warriors games after all. Ixbran 09:41, October 19, 2011 (UTC)

The "Collaboration Characters" of WO3
What are we going to do if these characters are playable?

Like, say we got Ryu Hyabusa from the Ninja Gaiden series, and he was playable. Would he be added to the WO Template? Or, since he is from another K.T. game, will info on Ninja Gaiden be added to the KOEI Wiki and just treat his profile with WO info like the DW and SW Characters?

This brings up another question, if that dose happen, will this be changed to the "K.T.(Tecmo Koie) Wiki"?

Sorry to bring this up right now, i'm just curious as to what will end up happening, if that dose turn out to be the case. I don't want us to end up linking to the NG Wiki. because the mod of that wiki is, please excuse my language, a complete and total jack ass. I want to avoid linking to that wiki if at all possible. Ixbran 05:14, October 28, 2011 (UTC)


 * So if we do end up getting NG Characters, they will just end up in the WO Template then? But their articles would still have info on the games they originally come from. that i can understand.


 * The reason i want to avoid the NG Wiki is because i don't want people exposed to the people who work on it. The Admin of the wiki (whos name is Godismi(God Is Me)) is an egotistical Jerk who hates it when people correct his mistakes!


 * I uploaded several high quality art works to that wiki to help it, Admin's policy is "High quality screen shots are better than any art work."


 * and he then promptly deleted it. I tried reasoning with him, trying to show that high quality art for the character profiles is necessary to give viewers of the article a full body shot of the characters design. I did my best to stay calm without going over board.


 * His response was "well Screen shots are better than art work. if you don't like it, you can just leave".


 * and I did, but only after deciding to give him a piece of my mind WITHOUT holding back. after words he promptly went and deleted and removed all the contributions i had added to the wiki. Profiles with info I added, and even some weapon screen shots that the wiki needed for some weapon articles. all my hard work, gone. all because I didn't approve of how he ran things.


 * That wiki doesn't deserve any form of attention, at least not from KOEI Viewers.


 * I apologize for the rant, i know its not something you needed, or wanted, to hear/read. I just .... providing my reasons as to why i don't want to link too it ...

Ixbran 06:13, October 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * Sorry

Ixbran 06:37, October 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * Well that is true. i hadn't thought of that. lol, i always considered Takamaru as an actual SW character some times, forgetting hes a Collaboration character with nintendo. Though really, KOEI totally should buy the rights to that game from Nintendo, they haven't done anything with Takamaru, or Murasame Castle in general, for years. never a remake, sequel or anything. He didnt even appear in Brawl! I Think KOEI could do a much better job with Murasame Castle than Nintendo ever would. It would also be awesome if he was one of the Colab-characters for WO3. i know its not likely, but it would still be Awesome!


 * Thanks for the advice, i appreciate it. though im sure that no matter what i'd say, the Admin for that wiki would probably come up with some sort of an excuse to continue doing things the way he dose.




 * Your alot of fun to talk too you know that? Ixbran 07:48, October 28, 2011 (UTC)

Another question for you *So sorry about all these stupid topics*
what is gonna happen if it turns out that the characters from Samurai Warriors Chronicles?

I mean i know you guys didn't give them actual character profiles since they are meant to be used as the players way of experiencing the game, but if they do appear in WO3, will they be getting their own character profiles like all the other SW Characters? Ixbran 23:35, October 29, 2011 (UTC)


 * alrighty then, and thank you for understanding my constant forms of communications with you. because I'll be honest, i do NOT like the fact that they don't have their own pages. while i do understand the reasons why you guys don't have their own pages, i do not agree with said reasons and truly believe they deserve their own pages here on the wiki. rather than just lumping them in the Edit Character section.

Ixbran 23:57, October 29, 2011 (UTC)
 * I would really really Really REALLY appreciate it if you would let me make pages for them. Its something I have been wanting to do for a VERY long time now. and now that I actually own the game, SW:C, my desire to make pages for Said characters is even stronger now.

Kaguya
alright, i understand. Sorry for putting that info. just seemed like it would be interesting if it was true that KOEI was the first to give her a face.

I Apologize for my actions. Ixbran 00:41, October 30, 2011 (UTC)

3 new WO3 Characters Announced
Ryu Hyabusa Jean D'Arc Achilles

HAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!!!! Ixbran 01:39, November 1, 2011 (UTC)

Joan and Achilles
I was wondering, how are we going to do Joan of Arc's and Achilles' profiles for WO3? Will we be adding orochi info to the bottom of the Troy character profile info box? Also, will we be creating a Bladestorm Info Box for Joan of Arc, and then slowly build up the Bladestorm character profiles?

Sorry for bothering you, im just curious. Ixbran 21:51, November 2, 2011 (UTC)

Yay, i'm contributing! Ixbran 05:41, November 3, 2011 (UTC)
 * oh its fine. also just so you know, i was able to get an image pack of various characters from blade storm. almost all the characters, accept a few. as well as the flags of England and France. i shall be uploading them in just a few seconds.


 * So wait, your saying i spent days looking for these things, just for you to go and say they aren't needed?



Ixbran
 * to avoid saying things i know ill regret, im just not going to come back for a few days, or at least until new info on WO3 is released.


 * Well i figured having them here would be better than nothing. may i at least re-upload the emblems for france and england, they can go on the bladestorm main page. and you guys can use them for color referrences for the English and French Bladestorm character templates.


 * and im sorry i dont know of anyone who has the premium art scanned. not alot of the people on KW Forums get along with me because i tend to dislike a lot of the popular characters (Lu Bu, Zhao Yun, Tadakatsu, yukimura, ect) Ixbran

need opinon on some stuff im working on
User:Ixbran/Bladestorm_Navi_Template_Project

would you mind taking a look at this and tell me what you think? Ixbran 00:27, November 4, 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm having some issues with the templates im working on for the characters. i try to go in and fix them, but the code gets messed up and the parts "Scatter" across the page. if i try to save after this is loaded it ruins the code, and i dont know how to fix it. i could REALLY use some help here. Ixbran 08:10, November 4, 2011 (UTC)

character similarities (WO)
Who said i made any of that stuff up? The information i posted was info i learned here right on this wiki. Ixbran 21:08, November 8, 2011 (UTC)


 * Hmmm ... true enough i suppose. you've a point, okay then.


 * So are you looking forward to the game?


 * x 3

Ixbran 22:18, November 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * I can wait to play as the guest characters and do their stages. and since Ryus music is a remix of a classic SNES Ninja Gaiden song, i really hope we get remixed songs from Bladestorm and Troy.

RE:Bladestorm images
I just figured these image shapes would be best for the character information templates, rather than the rectangle shaped ones for their renders. Ixbran


 * Well i figured it would be better than nothing. you guys practically abandoned the game because its not "Asian", so none of you are interested in working on it.


 * I have been trying my hardest to find these art works because i thought you guys would apreciate the hard work ive been putting into this.

Ixbran
 * Im sorry if im coming off as rude at the moment, im just feeling very unappreciated at the moment for what ive been trying to do for this wiki, and i am very upset right now because of it.


 * alright, then how about this. you delete them, and then ill re-upload them with a more appropriate file name. that way the wiki can still benefit from having them.


 * And im sorry for what i said. as stated before i am just feeling unappreciated from all the work ive been doing to get this. alot of the images were on a site i already went too, but i didnt know they were there, and have been spending days scouring the net trying to find them.

Ixbran
 * I hope i didnt offend you with what i said, you've my most sincerest apology.

Ixbran 01:13, November 10, 2011 (UTC)
 * Ok, i went in and fixed all the file names on the images on my computer, just delet them and then ill re-uupload them with the proper name files. you can also delet the File:John Hawkwood - Bladestorm.png pic because i managed to get one in the same size as the rest of the art work, i know you guys are all about image shape consistency so i figured you'd prefer one with a matching shape with the rest of the concept art.

concept artwork
since the mercenaries only have concept art work and nod renders, on the sites ive been looking. i feel that for all the bladestorm characters profiles to match, we should stick with the concept artwork in the character info box's. Ixbran

I feel it would be best to use the concept art in the info boxes over the renders. Ixbran
 * in 100% honesty i actually prefer the concept art over the renders in the info boxes. i feel they look alot nicer and portray the characters better than the renders do.

Ixbran
 * How can they be considered not finished when the designs are what appear in game? Yes true not al art works show the weapons or anything, but for everything else, the characters actual outfit and everything, is done. and thats what matters, the character.


 * its not just the shape of the render images, but also the quality of them. ALOT of them come from JPG images that have had the black back-drop behind them removed. you can see this easily by looking at Joans art work, her bangs becoming blocky and junk.


 * Plus i know you guys have this thing for matching image sizes, and the images are that big, because in a lot of images characters are wielding lances to the side, which requires the image to be stretched out that way.


 * The artwork images, while only concept art and such, are all decent shapes and sizes. none of their body parts are clipped off or missing, and as i said before. the website im getting these all from only provided Mercenary concept art, not their renders. So the Mercenaries profiles will be different from the others, if we do it renders in the info boxes and concept in galleries, when all the mercenaries have that i can find are just their concept arts.

Ixbran 05:28, November 10, 2011 (UTC)
 * and on a personal note: I also have a bit of an OCD Problem that makes me rage when the renders are in the info boxes now, rather than their art work. i actually dug my nails into my arm when i saw you had changed the images (my family refuses to believe i have an issue with this sort of thing, so no i dont take medication for it sadly). I have calmed down since then, but i am still upset. i feel the concept art would just LOOK nicer than the renders would. It would give the pages a nice looking lay out, and they would all match (Referring to the Mercenaries again)


 * I suppose you do have a point ... its just ... eh ... never mind, i know nothing i say will change your mind.

Ixbran 06:39, November 10, 2011 (UTC)
 * I propose i just give up and let you do things this way, you know how this wiki is run better than me, im sorry for having caused you trouble this evening.


 * I have changed your mind about some things? what things exactly if you dont mind my asking? *is curious*


 * And yea, i know thats true ... I do wish that the Bladestorm characters could get more recognition and media. like, Imarl for example. her design, and the way she acts, screams ninja. and Edward, he reminds me of Liu Bei from some of the videos I've seen. "I trust my Friends. I trust you, Henry Percey, Imarl, and all my friends. Those who fight side by side must trust each other, that is why i am willing to risk my life."


 * Dose that not sound like something Liu Bei would say about Guan Yu and Zhang Fei?


 * I admit the game play dose seem a tad slow ... but if they were to revamp the series with a more DW/SW/WO like game play ... I'm sure the series would sell very well... Ixbran 07:12, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

Bladestorm Render images
When ever you get the time, feel free to crop them to the size you think would be best. i would do it my self, but i have long since lost my photoshops install disk (Moved some time ago), so im unable to do it.

thank you for all your help, and im sorry for all the problems i caused the night before. Ixbran 19:10, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

WO3 Costumes
"Downloadable content is yet to be confirmed but will be in the game. The downloadable costumes in Dynasty Warriors 7 or Dynasty Warriors 7: Xtreme Legends are not scheduled for downloads, instead being earned by players as clothing options in the game."

what is the source on this information? There are a few people on the KW Forums who claim this is a lie based on this information. Ixbran 08:52, November 15, 2011 (UTC)


 * K, i showed my friend on the KW Forums that link you sent me, and according to them someone asked KIOEI Twitter if the DLC fantasy costumes from DW7 would be in WO3. KOEI Said no.


 * Why are they doign this? i mean, weve seen that each character gets 5 costumes, from the Beta character select screen shot.


 * if we just get nothing but defaults and re-colors, and then the extras in 7XL, and not the DLCs, the characters who originated in 7 will get:
 * Default
 * Re color
 * Re color
 * 7XL alt
 * 7XL Re color

Ixbran 05:01, November 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * or something along that, which i find to be incredibly stupid.


 * I my self happen to be a big fan of alternate costumes, espcally if they show up in story cut-scenes. to me it adds replayability. And if i don't like a characters current costume, i could go to a past one i preferred over the current one.

Ixbran 05:24, November 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh well ... everyone gets disappointed by KOEI at least once in their life right, it was only a matter of time till they did something i couldn't over look with a positive attitude.


 * I my self am not a fan of re-colors either, though i will admit the color editing system in SW3 was a lot of fun. letting us go in and edit default costumes was a very nice way to add a lot of re-playability too the game. if WO3 has that part of the game, for the re-color slot costumes, then id be fine with it, for a while anyway. Ixbran 05:51, November 19, 2011 (UTC)

my talk page
i think there's something wrong with the wiki .. when i came on it said i had a message, but when i went to check my talk page,it was blank and everything was gone

@ _ @

why is everything gone? Ixbran 20:07, November 15, 2011 (UTC)
 * Honestly, I have no idea. If you edit the page, everything is still there. It's just that it's not showing up. You're probably going to have to talk to Wikia about that using the Special:Contact feature. Sake neko 20:10, November 15, 2011 (UTC)

RE:Kojiro
Sorry, was just trying to help. Ixbran 21:14, November 22, 2011 (UTC)

Ryu and Ayane
hey, i was wondering, would it be okay to upload images of Ryu and Ayane dressed in their DW Costumes in NGS2? its DW Related so i figure it would be okay, but just to be safe i felt it would be better to ask first. Ixbran 07:05, November 25, 2011 (UTC)

WO3 Guide Book
http://www.amazon.co.jp/exec/obidos/ASIN/4775806858/musoublog-22/ref=nosim/

someone posted this on the KOEI Warrior Forums. from what I understand its like the books they release for the DW and SW Games. Meaning there is a chance we may get high quality art woks for all the Orochi characters, like the ones we get for he DW and SW Games. How awesome Sauce is that?! Ixbran 22:20, November 25, 2011 (UTC)

http://musou.ldblog.jp/archives/1971210.html Sorry about that. what dose that one say? o.o Ixbran
 * oh wait, i sent the wrong link.

Ixbran 00:17, November 26, 2011 (UTC)
 * thumb|420px|right|My Reaction to this wonderful news!
 * Best news ever! Even if we do have to wait for the art work, it is still lovely to know that the characters in WO seies will inded have their own high quality art. Though im curious: what will we do for the guest characters? If the guest characters also get high quality art work, will we use those for the info boxes on ther profiles?

Ixbran 00:26, November 26, 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh ... okay, im sorry for having been a bother.


 * OH, for that i apologize. I have ADHD so i tend to get over enthusiastic for things im excited for. whats worse i don't take medication for it due to the fact my body reacts to it negatively.


 * I shall try to keep my levels of excitement down as much as i am able, so i dont come off as annoying or "hyped" anymore. Ixbran 00:51, November 26, 2011 (UTC)

More Sub-DLC Pages
I would like to make more Sub-pages for all the games with DLC. i feel it would be better if each game series, that has DLC, be given its own page. I say this because the main DLC page is getting rather large. and with KOEI having announced WO3 will have DLC, the page is only going to get bigger with the stuff that will be added.

I feel it would benefit the Wiki if we do this, for both WIKI users and contributors alike. I state this because i feel that if all the DLC is put on their own indevidual pages, people looking for that specific DLC wont have to brows through a page of DLC from multiple games to have to find what they are looking for. and it will also help those with older, slower computers with low loading time, by reducing the items needed for the page to load.

I my self will take responsibility and make the pages and move the DLC to the necessary sections, so you wont have to worry about it. I shall also be sending this to User:Kyosei so i can get multiple peoples input on this request. Ixbran 06:49, December 6, 2011 (UTC)


 * But don't you think the wiki would benefit from all the different games having their own pages? Not to mention if it gains the same amount of DLC as DW7, its going to end up taking up a lot of space on that page, which will cause the page to lag horribly while loading information, for those who have slow running computers.

Ixbran 19:09, December 6, 2011 (UTC)
 * You may not seem to think its a worthwhile endeavor, but I do. And I am willing to do all the work needed to move all the DLC Info into their own separate pages. You guys wont have to lift a finger.


 * Dont you think you were being a little harsh with that last statement of yours? Yes i am excited for WO3, and i suppose that may contribute to this desire. but thing is, I've been wanting to make separate DLC Pages for the other games for some time now. but i felt that it was fine the way it was since there wasn't too much stuff there. If you add WO3 DLC to that list then the page is going to get out of control. not to mention its only a matter of time till "One Piece: Pirate Warriors" comes out. and if its like any other warriors game, its going to have a lot of DLC, which would only make the situation worse.

Ixbran 19:57, December 6, 2011 (UTC)
 * But enough on that, are you okay Neko? Your usually not one to talk like that ... and I'll be honest your the first person I've ever considered my self friends with, when it comes to other wiki users. From what I've seen, its not like you to be snippy like that. Is something bothering you, and my request to make these other DLC Pages is just being made at the wrong time?


 * Its fine, i apologize if i may have caused you to become angry with what i was asking. and while yes it is good to wait, i also feel its nesisssary to plan ahead. while its true we dont know if the game will have as much DLC as the DW Games, its also true that there could be more DLC.I feel that this way we are better prepared for whats to come ni the future.


 * This way everything is set. separated and on their own page, and we dont have to scrounge around through different parts of a single page trying to add info on a specific game. i feel this will make things easier for everyone who works on the wiki, and for those who come here for information.

Ixbran 21:10, December 6, 2011 (UTC)
 * and in case i forgot to say so before, i do forgive you for your outburst. Your my friend, so i feel i understand where your coming from. But i feel this is the best course of action, which is why i pushed on it so much. i wished to do what i felt was best for the wiki, and i hope that like my understanding you, you can also understand my reasons.

WO3DLC Page
im sorry, i didnt mean to cause any problems. Ixbran 00:47, December 13, 2011 (UTC)

new wo3 info
http://s13.zetaboards.com/koeiwarriors/single/?p=9062951&t=6853348

Translated info regarding game. dont want to mess up anything putting it my self, so i figured you could do it. Ixbran 06:18, December 13, 2011 (UTC)

Ixbran 06:40, December 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * im just tired of trying to put info on a page, only to have it removed or changed. it makes me feel like all my hard work is unnecessary or unwanted. I'm sorry for bothering you, its just your usually the one who's here so i thought it would be okay to let you know so you could put the info in that would fit to yours and Kyiose's standards, sorry for being a pest again.


 * k, sorry for bothering you. ill just update when ever DLC stuff is announced. again, sorry for being a pest, and ill do my best not to mess anything else up. Ixbran 06:59, December 13, 2011 (UTC)

Permission to add Zuo Ci to the WO character navigation template
I've been watching various WO3 videos and i've seen that the charactes from different games execute their musou's differently:
 * DW Chars: Camera zooms in, before panning out and attacking
 * SW Chars: Ink mark from SW flashes across screen with a close up of face.
 * WO Chars: an orante pattern flashes across the screen, with a close up of characters face like SW ink, and character is under a dome of glowing asian style markings, before executing.

Zuo Ci is seen executing his Musou in the same style as the WO characters. Also the character select screen, there are two other sections: Other 1 and Other 2.

Other 1 has the DW others, as well as a few Orochi characters; Da Ji, Nu Wa, Fu Xi. Zuo Ci is placed directly after Zhu Rong and before Da Ji. this puts him in a prime position as a character that could be of either, but because of his style of musou execution he has clearly become a WO character, like that of Nu Wa and Fu Xi.

Please, may i add Zuo Ci to the WO Template, as well as the WO series page? I promise I will make sure all looks well, and according to wiki standard. Ixbran 07:34, December 23, 2011 (UTC)

Proof that Zuo Ci is now a WO Character
Regarding my message before. while it is true before i had no real visual proof, i now do and wish to share it with you.

Within the game, Musou Orochi2/Warriors ORochi 3, they feature wallpapers you can set, just like in DW7 and 7XL. they have wallpapers that go for specific charcters, forces as well as special wallpapers for the characters from the different games.


 * Dynasty Warriors Characters Wallpaper
 * Samurai Warriors Characters Wallpaper
 * Warriors Orochi Characters Wallpaper

As stated before, Zuo Ci has been set up with the characters in the WO Characters wallpaper, officially confirming he is no longer a dynasty warriors character, just like Fu Xi and Nu Wa.

Since it is official, i would like to move Zuo Ci to the WO Navigation Template. Ixbran 00:10, December 27, 2011 (UTC)


 * But he still counts as a Warriors ORochi character. it dosent matter wich one he appeard in first. Fu Xi and Nu Wa appeard in DW series first, yet no one complained about them being on the WO Template. Also, Joan of Arc, Achilles and Nemea, its obvious their going to be on multiple templates once enough info regardin their origonal games is released.

Ixbran 00:20, December 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * This is a wiki, it is meant to provide all necessary information, wich includes characters who have been switched from one series to another. Zuo Ci was a DW Character IN THE PAST, but now he is considered, by the developers, as a warriors orochi character, a mystic along side fu xi, nu wa, taigong wang, and san zang. I know its something you don't like, but the wiki needs to reflect and show the choices and changes made by the developers. whether we want too or not is irrelevant


 * Im doing this because it is necessary. as stated before it is a Wikipedias job to show and tell everyone any and all information regarding and everything. Zuo Xi origonated as a DW Character yes, but he is no longer considered one by the developers.

Ixbran 00:28, December 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * We, as a wiki, need to fallow suit and respect their choices, and let the people know of these choises, like them or not, it is our responsibility.


 * You do have a point, hes not "New" ergo shouldnt be regard as new. But my point still stands.


 * He is, officially from this point on, a warriors orochi character. regardless of his voice actor and appearance not changing is irrelevant.

Ixbran 00:37, December 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * Ive said this multiple times already, and i'll say it again: KOEI no longer considers him a Dynasty Warriors Character, he is now officially a Warriors ORochi character. as such he needs to be on the template, along side Nu Wa, fu xi, taigong wang, joan of arc, achilles, gyuki, dodomeki, shuten Doji and the rest.


 * Oh i know that nothing about him has change, but that doesnt matter. He is a WO character, he needs to go onto the WO Template to go with this information.


 * by removing the template from his page and removing him from the template, you are supplying false information to those who use this wiki for information.


 * people online already say that this wiki cant be trusted, various users on the KW Forums are always saying this wiki lacks information regarding things they search for, but can not find. I am constantly defending this place, taking pride in the fact that it provides truthful and helpful information.


 * I am not about to let this wiki start providing fales info, or purposely lacking it, just because, and i apologize ahead of time for this, your stuck in the past.

Ixbran 00:49, December 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * Zuo Ci is a WO character, he needs to be on the template, and it needs to be on his page. if we don't do this, we will be lying to those who come here for info. simply stating on his page "hes a WO character now, not a DW" but not provide the necessary template is pure tom-foolery.

stealing, what?
what do you mean steal? I'm just posting information i find to help provide information on the wiki, in fact alot of the info and images i get are from that site. how is it considered stealing when we do the same for other sites? we take the information from other sites, then post it here? Ixbran 22:13, December 29, 2011 (UTC)


 * "Musou Blog specifically asks on their site that you don't take their images without their permission"


 * How do you expect me to know that? I cant read japanese, i can say a few words, but have yet to learn to read it. i only use that site for picture gathering . all the school uniform DLC images i got were from there, same with the fantasy costume images.

Ixbran 22:35, December 29, 2011 (UTC)
 * Sorry for not knowing how to read japanese.


 * You honestly think that if i could read Japanese i would have uploaded those images? if I could read Japanese, id know they don't want their images uploaded to other sites, so i wouldn't. but since i cant read Japanese, i didn't know. punishing someone for doing something wrong, when they don't even realize their doing something wrong, is basically like slapping a small child for laughing at someone who fell down the stairs; you just don't do it. you explain to them its wrong, but without chastising or upsetting them.


 * I admit i was in the wrong, I am sorry. I didn't know that the site had asked others not to use their images on other sites. I'll keep that in mind from now on. Ixbran 22:43, December 29, 2011 (UTC)

Hyakku-mon nin no Sengoku Musou visual Character images
the website Musou Blog has character images of those featured in "Hyakku-mon nin no Sengoku Musou visual". Many of which are ones the wiki dose not have. i was wondering that since those images do not have the Musou Block logo on them, if they would be safe to upload to the wiki? Ixbran 23:13, January 5, 2012 (UTC)

Ixbran 07:39, January 11, 2012 (UTC)
 * It seems that the KW-forums have managed to get their hands on many of the character artworks from Hyakku-mon nin no Sengoku Musou visual. you can find them Here. i figured this would be better than using the ones from Musou Blog.


 * I'm showing you these images because I'm trying to help. I know nothing about the Hyakku-mon nin no Sengoku Musou visual game, as i am vehemently agents the idea of importing games, or playing games that aren't in English. and i know next to nothing about Japanese history outside of whats been tought in the SW Games. I am not going to go to the trouble of making character profiles for ones i know nothing about, because then you or Kyose would just go in and delete it due to lack of information.  sorry for being a pest, I was just trying to help. but it seems you don't want it, so i guess ill stop with this issue since its obvious you don't really care about it. Ixbran 21:20, January 11, 2012 (UTC)

new tweet from InspChin
Tweet here

InspChin;
 * "Sorry if I can't manage to answer everyone. Not in the UK at the moment. But Warriors Orochi 3 IS coming to oversea on both PS3 & Xbox 360. Make sure you check out the press release which will be issued later this week. Also, some other game assets scheduled to come on 19th Jan."

that being said id like to change the Musou Orochi 2 page and its DLC page to Warriors Orochi 3. Ixbran 23:39, January 18, 2012 (UTC)

Female Names
Insp Chin recently updated his blog with information regarding female names.

according to him alot, but not all, of the female characters will have the way they spell their names changed in WO3, and that any DW Game afterwords will have the same name spelling as in WO3, the currently known list is as fallows;


 * Zhurong
 * Sun Shangxiang
 * Lianshi
 * Xingcai
 * Yueying
 * Diaochan
 * Zhenji
 * Cai Wenji
 * Wang Yi
 * Xiaoqiao
 * Daqiao
 * Wang Yuanji
 * Bao Sanniang
 * Nuwa (Orochi only)
 * Da Ji (Orochi only)
 * Sanzang (Orochi only)

Should we take action and change the pages now, or wait till the game is actually out? Ixbran 22:55, February 8, 2012 (UTC)


 * Ahh okay then, so wait till the game is out to perform the changes, that is understandable. I hadnt known about the conversation on that talk page, which is why i brought it to you. sorry for being a bother. Ixbran 04:38, February 9, 2012 (UTC)