User talk:Light-Revan

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Alliances
are there to note who joins whom and when in each game. Which is practically rendered pointless in WO3. Except for the serpent army since they still oppose the player. In this case, a Hydra section can be added onto the Orochi army page because they're still the same darn being in the end anyways.

Alliances are not there to say who is what "race" someone is or what have you. Besides, the character articles themselves say whether they're an immortal or not. You can put an overall summary of their activities at the top of the page (or its own section if it gets too long), but please don't try to make these alliance pages anything more than that. Because they are fictional and pertain only to this universe.

The descriptions you're putting are also a little misleading. Just because one language says they're demons doesn't mean they are accepted the same in English. Mystics wouldn't be called mystics if you're following the Japanese script; they would be called immortal beings or more specifically xianren/sennen. But that doesn't matter because in the end, this is an English wiki. Official localization overrules pretty much anything us fans want to defend from the original Japanese script.

Sometimes that causes problems explaining how things work and messes up continuity. This time, it really doesn't. I don't see why you're trying to defend your stance so badly. Sake neko 18:03, April 24, 2012 (UTC)
 * What I'm trying to say is that the "race" article you're trying to go for is redundant since the current page alreadly states that they're not human. "Although they look human" means that they're not of mortal origin. It says that on the Mystics page as it stands already. That's what opening paragraphs are meant to do, to establish how they're different from another alliance.


 * To say that again on yet another page is redundant. I mean, you're only talking about the WO version of immortals/demons. You aren't even trying to establish the real world version at all. If you want to talk a "race" page, you would call it its real name first and then compare it to something Koei made up.


 * The "demons" you're actually trying to cover is too broad to limit to one page since you're trying summarize every type of malevolent spirit simultaneously. The "mystics" you're thinking of are also in the same boat. Sake neko 18:25, April 24, 2012 (UTC)
 * I care about the real world counterparts once you start flinging words like "races" out there and trying to delineate how "mystics" and "demons" are by using only the WO versions of them. Because they DO exist in other Koei franchises, and they're not the same as the WO series by a long shot (Fengshen Yanyi, Saiyuki: Journey West, Harukanaru Toki no Naka de (series), Zill O'll to name some of the examples). That's why I'm so adamant on having the alliance pages stay the way they are currently. Because the WO definitions are the only things you're talking about.


 * For those reasons really, you can expand on how the mystics/Orochi forces are on their already created pages only. You can mention who was introduced as what per game and who sided with whom because that's the point of these pages. Sake neko 18:47, April 24, 2012 (UTC)

Lu Bu
means "the strongest fighter of the era" from a marketing stand point. Let's compare Lu Bu with what has already been established for Honda and Keiji.


 * Lu Bu
 * Max Attack and Defense (or at least starts as the highest) throughout the Wariors franchises
 * Emphasized as the strongest character in the game's script/marketing (even though that may not be what players actually think)
 * Every personal story he has emphasizes how he is the strongest at some point; defeats rivals for "the right" along the way
 * Hamfisted into many battles/games just to prove that he is "the strongest"
 * Told to avoid conflict with him in certain stages
 * Has his own theme song(s) throughout his Warriors appearances; even used as the motif for some of the game's intro movies
 * Featured in following game intros/promotional movies as a "mighty character" - DW, DW2, DW3, DW4, DW6, WO (and as an extension MOZ), the pachinkos and pachislots, and probably some others I'm forgetting
 * Known for riding a famous horse
 * Often faces players whilst in Hyper state


 * Honda
 * Max Attack and Defense since debut
 * Emphasized as the strongest character in the game's script/marketing (even though that may not be what players actually think)
 * Every personal story he has emphasizes how he is the strongest at some point; defeats rivals for "the right" along the way
 * Hamfisted into many battles just to prove that he is "the strongest" (especially in SW3)
 * Told to avoid conflict with him in certain stages
 * Has his own theme song(s) throughout his Warriors appearances
 * Featured in following game intros/promotional movies as a "mighty character" - SW:XL, SW2, SW3, SW3:XL, WO (and as an extension MOZ), second XL pachislot
 * Often faces players whilst in Hyper state


 * Keiji
 * Max Attack and Horse Attack since debut
 * Featured in following game intros/promotional movies as a "mighty character" - SW (and as an extension SW:XL and State of War), first XL pachislot
 * Told to avoid conflict with him in one stage for one mission in Kenshin's scenario
 * Known for riding a famous horse
 * Hyper state status fluctuates more frequently than Honda or Lu Bu

Look, I know what you're trying to say. Yes, I too still personally consider Keiji to be better than Honda and the real Lu Bu of the series. I think his attacks are faster and much more versatile. I think the only thing Honda has over Keiji is that extremely broken C5. As an extension of my opinion, I think Lu Bu's a chump and severely overrated as "the strongest of DW cast".

But trying to say that Keiji's the "secondary Lu Bu equivalent" in the SW series isn't really the case. To me, that's like trying to argue that Goemon was the "secondary Lu Bu in his debut" (which he was), until Honda was introduced. It's a dated concept and not worth keeping considering all the changes that have been made since then.

If you want to mention how Keiji matches up to Honda and how powerful he is and so on, please mention that in his much neglected fighting style section. That's ideally where all of the stat comparing and other data like that should go for characters. Sake neko 23:13, April 25, 2012 (UTC)