User talk:Humble Novice

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Categorize images
Please take the time to categorize the images you upload. What takes me 10 minutes to do on my end literally takes you only seconds to do before you upload. For example if you were uploading more Pokemon images, you would categorize them by simply typing in the summary box. Kyosei 09:40, April 25, 2012 (UTC)

Can you do quotes for Generics in DW3 too?

~Sereniama~ | Page ▪ Talk ▪ Wiki Contributions | 05:35, April 26, 2012 (UTC)


 * Be careful with uploading 100man Sengoku images. Sometimes Japanese fans throw several hissy fits when someone takes their screenshots without asking, even if the game is a free service for cellphone users. But it does take time to grind and unlock those characters, so they may get upset about that. Especially characters like Yoshitsugu, since he's a rare character. Sake neko 06:38, May 7, 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh, I see. If that's the case, then I'll try not to upload any images taken by those fans without their consent. Humble Novice 07:00, May 7, 2012 (UTC)

Re:Power icon
It's either your personal internet browser cache or wikia's system cache. With the former clearing your browser cache should show the changes. In the case of the latter it tends to vary, sometimes it takes only a few minutes to a few hours. Sometimes it doesn't update at all the image needs to be re-uploaded, this tends to be a rare case though. I personally see the different icon you uploaded though with the file's so it might just be a matter of the various wikia image caches needing time to update. Kyosei 02:55, May 10, 2012 (UTC)

your efforts these last couple of days
have been wonderful, truly wonderful! you've been putting so much hard work and effort into the things you've been doing, its amazing your able to get such high quality images. Thank you so much for all of your hard work!

Question, will you be doing this for the Warriors Orochi characters as well? we could use some weapon image updates for the past WO characters, as well as the weapons of the WO3 characters. Of course when you finish your current objectives of course. Again awesome work buddy, keep it up! Ixbran 07:13, May 15, 2012 (UTC)


 * Thank you, but this is just the beginning of it all. I'm planning to add a few more things to this wiki in the near future. If there's something I see worth sharing, I'll be sure to upload it here for everyone to look at. Humble Novice 14:18, May 15, 2012 (UTC)

Concepts
Depends. Two images for the default appearance is the norm. It's a fight to the finish for that second image most of the time. An easy way of looking at it is this:
 * Treasure Box artwork + 3D render = complete; no more is needed
 * Treasure Box artwork but no 3D render = concept artwork okay
 * No Treasure Box artwork; two images of same character attire/weapon acceptable
 * Main visual or any available image given for said character in other Koei franchises (but you primarily upload Warriors related things, so this might not apply to your question directly)

Any more than two –especially for the always-changing-their-looks-anyways-in-their-series-Warriors-characters– is prone to deletion. That's to prevent over flooding the character galleries for one game, since image spam isn't really the point of this wiki. Usually one image per alternate outfit or non-Warriors game appearance is acceptable.

So, say if you were to upload any Warriors concept artwork for Zhou Tai, Xiahou Dun, Goemon, Yukimura, and so on right now, they would likely get deleted. These characters already have more than enough images to display their default and differing appearances throughout the Warriors franchises, and they doesn't need any more to establish that fact. Concept art for any alternate outfits/downloadable outfits they have as well would likely be deleted at this point, as they would be considered too excessive.

The only exceptions to this so far would be the collaboration characters, ala Ryu Hayabusa and company. Multiple images for them are allowed to reflect that they have been a guest in "so-and-so" many games. Sake neko 04:36, May 21, 2012 (UTC)


 * By default appearances, you mean the character designs used in each game, right? If that's the case, then I think I know what to do now. Thank you very much for taking the time to answer my question here. Humble Novice 07:23, May 21, 2012 (UTC)

Images
If you are able, do you think you can upload high res images of the weapons used by the Hero and Heroine in Samurai Warriors Chronicles? It would really help out their pages if you could. Also, possibly images of their alternate costumes, as well as the Head, Chest, Arm and Hip accessories they can get? Help flesh the pages out a bit more. Ixbran 04:49, May 25, 2012 (UTC)

RE:Concept Artworks
I only posted those because I thought they'd be beneficial to the Wiki. if it turns out the mods and admins don't like them, they can freely delete them.I wont get upset, only trying to help. though the fact that the Admin for the Koei Wiki, Kyosei, hasn't deleted them him self yet possibly means he doesn't mind them being here. We will just have to wait and see how things turn out. Ixbran 20:37, May 27, 2012 (UTC)
 * Please don't try to upload magazine scans. It may take a few days (or maybe only one day), but better renders and images of these characters will be available once the "Famitsu exclusive" day limit wears off. What I mean by that is whenever Famitsu reports on something in their magazine productions, all other news outlets usually have to wait for a day or so (sometimes weeks) to report on it. It's done that way to get people to clamor for their copy of that particular Famitsu issue. This is how it has been for years for several franchises. It's how Famitsu continues to stay on top for the Japanese video game news source for home consoles and crushes many Japanese video game news publications, for better or worse.


 * Expect to see better images once Japanese online news sites get the chance to report on it, usually when the Japanese official website updates. Sake neko 04:39, May 30, 2012 (UTC)


 * Oh, I didn't know about that rule. My mistake then. But still, you've got me curious now. Is Famitsu the only gaming publication that does these exclusive magazine deals with companies like Koei? Humble Novice 04:56, May 30, 2012 (UTC)
 * Short answer: no, of course not. That's not how business works. Famitsu doesn't cover them out of curiosity; companies pay Famitsu to highlight them for recognizable publicity. It's one of the most celebrated and popular publications known to video game fans, one of the ones which is practically guaranteed to be spread as gossip by the Japanese online community –as you have may well noticed already. They occasionally do these type of deals with Jump, Dengeki, and Itmedia. But, in reality, that's how it goes for most Japanese video game companies in general. Not just Koei. Sake neko 05:04, May 30, 2012 (UTC)

Videos
Why are you uploading them? Is something wrong with just linking the official website and youtube channel? I'm not really accusing, I'm just more curious than anything else. Wikia's formatting has never handled them well in the past or the present, so that's why I'm asking. Sake neko 18:22, June 11, 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, I thought it'd be nice to make use of this new convenient feature by adding videos related to each article instead of just placing the link below. If I've done something wrong, you and everyone else are always free to correct me. After all, don't I have a responsibility to make up for my own mistakes? Humble Novice 19:11, June 11, 2012 (UTC)

I wasn't saying it was wrong, I'm just saying it looks garish and a bit appalling for small pages on this wiki. It looks even worse for users who aren't logged in, with those overwhelming flash and video ads all over the place. That isn't your fault though, that's Wikia's fault. I'm not sure what to do really. Like I've said, Wikia's never really handled videos well in the past or present. Sake neko 20:44, June 11, 2012 (UTC)
 * If that's the case, then wouldn't it be better to have the video section minimized or removed entirely? Or is that solution impossible now? Humble Novice 21:28, June 11, 2012 (UTC)

Re:Trophies
No idea. It just happens sometimes. Kyosei 07:12, June 27, 2012 (UTC)
 * I see. So it might be a minor bug in the system. I'm just glad the changes in the achievement section don't look so glitchy anymore. Humble Novice 07:20, June 27, 2012 (UTC)

DW6E costume images
If its alright with you, I'm going to mark the DLC costumes you uploaded as candidates for deletion. we already have images of those costumes in the DLC Subpage for DW6E, so having them up on two pages seems a bit redundant. also thanks for all your hard work, its awesome. Ixbran 01:45, July 1, 2012 (UTC)

DW5 Card Game
Depends on how good the manual scans are. If it's any bit blurry or small, I can't make any promises. If it's like 100 something pages, then don't expect it to be done anytime soon. I can give it a shot, even if I have never played the silly thing before. It'll take time but yeah, that's all good. Please don't upload the manual scans on the wiki to show me. Give me an image gallery link of some sort which has all the pages and I'll see what I can do. Sake neko 04:43, July 6, 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the link and active interest. The images are a little tiny, but the text is clear so I can work with the scans. It's going to take me sometime to read and understand how this game plays though. If you're fine with that, I can write the rules and other mumbo jumbo for the TCG. All I've see from Japanese fans usually is a complete card list, which I will also translate and include once the rules are down. Don't know where to put it though, we'll see when we get there. Sake neko 05:10, July 6, 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh, that's fine with me. If you have trouble reading some of the pages in the gallery, please let me know so I can sharpen the quality in Photoshop. Humble Novice 05:17, July 6, 2012 (UTC)

After breezing through the basic rules and taking a brief glance at the advanced rules, the game's glossary is pretty expansive and unique to itself, meaning that there isn't a lot which can be reused for other franchises or Warriors games even if we were to put it here. I think the summary style/simple charts commonly found on this wiki wouldn't quite do it justice. And there's over 300 cards with their own set of conditions and cost rates that's rather hard to ignore. It's been discontinued since 2006, so it probably wouldn't hurt to give the TCG its own concise wiki. Sake neko 06:20, July 6, 2012 (UTC)
 * Even if the information is too much for this wiki to handle, are you still willing to translate the rules and terms of the game? I'll understand if you decline since crafting a new wiki takes up so much more time than just writing a whole article. Humble Novice 06:49, July 6, 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, that's the plan. I was going to translate them either way. As I've said before, though, I think it would be better off in its own wiki rather than giving it a brief summary. It wouldn't be bad to start a wiki from scratch for a card game, because it would feel that way anyways if we were try to make it easy to learn and comprehensible for even curious visitors or fans on this wiki.
 * Provided, I'm still trying to wrap the rules around my head, but I can tell you right now that it's more complex and convoluted than say "press square for a normal attack", like most Warriors things. Sake neko 19:45, July 6, 2012 (UTC)
 * Now that sounds like a good plan to me. If you'd like, I could try and ask other people at Koei Warriors if they have some knowledge about this game so they can help create your potential wiki. Humble Novice 20:01, July 6, 2012 (UTC)

So after mulling over it for awhile, I've got a good grasp of the card game's rules. It's just a matter of getting the right scans to explain it better. Do you own the actual book? If you do have the book and can provide additional scans, I'm requesting bigger versions of the following pages (going by the numbers of bottom right hand corner in scans themselves): 39, 20-21, 10-11, 8-9, 6-7, 5-4. About 200% or so bigger than the existing versions please. Just update the image gallery with these bigger versions if you can.
 * If you don't have it and/or can't scan, that's cool too. The scans are functional as is now, but they might be a little hard to see or blurry for some of the explanation segments. Sake neko (talk) 21:18, July 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry, but I don't have the actual book for the card game itself. I just found the scans online. However, I'll let you know if I see more information about it in the near future. Humble Novice (talk) 21:45, July 19, 2012 (UTC)

Okay then, that's fine. Then the wiki's primary concern is getting images of the 300+ cards. That's the most important thing for the wiki before it can even begin. If it doesn't generate enough public interest, Wikia has the right to forcibly merge anything everything about the TCG onto this wiki or close it. Quite literally.

If anyone on Koei Warriors actually owns a few cards and can scan, that'll be a life saver. It doesn't have to all of them, just whoever is willing to share is fine. I'd rather not try to rely on scouring online auctions in the vain hope of getting a card picture. You appear to have an account there, so could you please ask around for me? Might get lucky, never know. Sake neko (talk) 22:02, July 19, 2012 (UTC)


 * Well, I managed to make this thread on Koei Warriors. Let's just hope there's someone generous enough to share what info and experience they have with the card game itself. Humble Novice (talk) 22:39, July 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * Indeed. Thanks for the help. If nothing shows up after a month or so, then we might have to try something else instead. Or I could just go ahead and make it anyways. But I'd rather not do that. :P Sake neko (talk) 22:43, July 19, 2012 (UTC)

So...no hits? Anyone wanting to help out? Sake neko (talk) 02:03, August 25, 2012 (UTC)
 * Sadly, there doesn't seem to be much response from the forum in regards to this trading card game for DW5. I'll try reviving the thread later in case other people haven't seen it yet. Humble Novice (talk) 14:57, August 25, 2012 (UTC)

If there's no interest for helping a wiki for the card game at this point, then I'll do a so-so summary of it and its rules on this wiki. It's a shame though... Sake neko (talk) 22:29, January 24, 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry things didn't turn out so well. But then again, it's understandable since only a small handful of English-speaking fans are aware of the card game's existence. Say, do you plan to add info about it on the Dynasty Warriors 5 page or will you be making a new article for it? Humble Novice (talk) 09:42, January 25, 2013 (UTC)
 * Giving it its own page. It's in the same boat as the mahjong game, just not in a digital format. It wouldn't make sense to make it a subpage or what have you of DW5 if they don't even play the same. Sake neko (talk) 09:50, January 25, 2013 (UTC)

Re:Rotk images
We only use the newer installments, older ones are still on the wiki due to laziness on my part haha. I have to individually delete them and that's already over 50 images. Kyosei 09:36, July 12, 2012 (UTC)

New npc articles
I hope you will take the time to go back and fill these in instead of leaving them as they are. There are already enough skeleton articles and incomplete pages as is to add even more. Given that you didn't even bother to take the time to categorize these pages as actual character articles, I'm somewhat concerned you're only making these pages for the sake of having their ROTK 12 portraits on the wiki. The images are nice, but I'd rather not have readers click on a page only to have them inevitably disappointed to see there is basically nothing or even less on a subject than what they could've found from a basic Wikipedia or Google search. Kyosei 03:17, July 14, 2012 (UTC)
 * On a somewhat related note: pinyin. Easy way to find it is to copy and paste each Chinese character separately at Wiktionary in the search box. Go down to the Mandarin section and you'll find the pinyin there. For example, for E Huan (鄂煥) you would look at these two pages in their respective sections here for E (鄂) and here for Huan (煥). To get a capitalized version of an accented character that you would see in someone's name like E Huan you can copy and paste it from here. Kyosei 03:39, July 14, 2012 (UTC)

Zhang Chunhua
We don't know if she's going to do anything more than be a generic npc and player avatar. Wait for the game to come out first. Don't make her page because it'll give the impression she'll do something unique or important when we don't know for sure. I repeat, wait for the game to come out first so we know for sure. Kyosei (talk) 03:54, July 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * But isn't she already an existing character in Romance of the Three Kingdoms? After all, she's got stats of her own like all of the female characters in that particular series. Humble Novice (talk) 04:01, July 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * She shouldn't be made for the sake of being a Romance of the Three Kingdoms character. There are plenty of those figures who do nothing in any game much less series. We strive for at least multiple game appearances if they're historical figures who at least do something somewhat unique or different in Koei games. Kyosei (talk) 04:06, July 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * Ah, okay then. But if Zhang Chunhua does have something unique to offer in future Koei titles, will you allow me or anyone else to recreate her page? Humble Novice (talk) 04:40, July 19, 2012 (UTC)

Should be able to edit it now. Kyosei (talk) 02:36, December 19, 2012 (UTC)

MO2 Special
Hey there sorry to butt in but I couldn't help but notice your edit on Semei and Rachel's pages. Assuming you have the game, how and in which chapter do you unlock them please?Yuki Z (talk) 20:43, July 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * According to one of the videos I just saw, Seimei's stage becomes available in Chapter 1 after recruiting Yuanji and Ginchiyo whereas Rachel's is unlocked in Chapter 2 when Lianshi, Ding Feng, and Ryu are on your team. Fortunately, none of those 2 stages require any bond grinding whatsoever. Humble Novice (talk) 20:59, July 19, 2012 (UTC)


 * Hmmm, strange as I already have Yuanji and Ginchiyo unlocked in the game :/ Thank you still though.Yuki Z (talk) 21:05, July 19, 2012 (UTC)

Re:Related videos
The related videos tool seems to be rather fickle. Sometimes it'll work like it's supposed to and other times it won't. The best I can do is just move the video to appropriate article and delete the changes to the global list. Kyosei (talk) 05:31, September 4, 2012 (UTC)
 * Just in case you didn't see it, by October 3, all of the page specific related video pages will be disappearing and will be merged to the global list. This is a change being enforced by Wikia to "encourage" directly embedding page specific videos into the article itself for more page views essentially. This is why you ended up adding to the global list instead of the page specific list. This was a preemptive move made by towards that direction without really informing anyone in a global announcement. Details, comments, feedback and questions can be left here. Kyosei (talk) 19:44, September 21, 2012 (UTC)

Changing/moving articles
Not a problem. Though just for your future reference you can do this yourself by using the drop down menu that opens with the edit this page button you see on every page. Click the downwards arrow and use the Rename option you see and you'll be able to change the article's name. Kyosei (talk) 23:46, October 16, 2012 (UTC)

I already said this on the page history, but I'll say it to you as well. If a game has just been announced and the total sum of information for the game is at best one or two sentences, then wait on making its page. I think Kyosei has said this somewhere before, but pages like Warriors Orochi 3 Hyper and Pokémon Conquest were deleted when they were in "just announced!" status. There's no doubt in anyone's minds that more will be known when time passes, so just be more patient for the information. That's why I haven't tried to make a Geten no Hana page, a game which is essentially in the same boat. Sake neko (talk) 21:09, October 30, 2012 (UTC)

Re:Galleries
Yea that's fine. Kyosei (talk) 02:07, November 1, 2012 (UTC)
 * I just find the names unnecessarily long, especially since the images are already categorized by game and what type of image it is. Also, since the images are already categorized by the game it's from I find it less important to put the game first before the character name. Kyosei (talk) 03:31, November 1, 2012 (UTC)

Huche'er profile
Thanks a bunch for helping me with the profile, really appreciate it. By the way, where do you keep getting these awesome ROTK12 art work images, i could barely find hi ROTK11 image, let alone his 12 one. Ixbran (talk) 08:57, November 10, 2012 (UTC)
 * Just simply type "三國志12" or "三國志XII" in Google and you're bound to find plenty of character images for Romance of the Three Kingdoms XII. Humble Novice (talk) 19:32, November 10, 2012 (UTC)

Template
Template:SW_Weapon
 * Thanks, but I already made another one just like that a few moments before you did. It's this one right here: Template:SW1 Weapon


 * If you don't mind, I think I'll go ahead and form a different template out of the one you just created. I'm sure you'll come to like it once I'm finished. Humble Novice (talk) 00:04, November 17, 2012 (UTC)

Re:Vids again
I'd rather the external links section not be used for videos that I don't really feel add much to the related page. Again, as I've already said before to Ixban, many of the videos uploaded here basically boiled down to: teaser/trailer, intro cinematic and music/character theme song. None of things were really that important to feature on the articles themselves. They added nice touches but again not really essential. Just something extra on the side. We can still do it the old fashioned way but it means doing it in a more manual fashion. Simply create a new related videos page for the article in question and add it that way. Any videos added to the global list can be manually removed. Kyosei (talk) 12:32, November 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * Yea just manually edit it onto the appropriate Related Videos page. The blacklist/whitelist headings are pretty self-explanatory. Whitelist will only show the videos listed under the heading on the side bar. Any videos listed under the blacklist heading will not. Kyosei (talk) 11:24, November 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * Seems like to me that they were just lazy and never actually fully implemented the system the way they blog post suggested as the only different between the old system and the new one is that instead of directly uploading to the article specific Related Videos list, it just uploads to the global one. Though this is only based on my impressions. Kyosei (talk) 18:05, November 19, 2012 (UTC)

Don't really see the need to link the vids again on the article itself when we already have them on the sidebar. Kyosei (talk) 21:08, December 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * Not sure I really understand what you're confused about but what I said before (manually editing related video pages with the appropriate vids) is still how it is at this moment. Whether or not that changes in the future I don't know. The way how I understood your previous question was you wanted to change/organize the related video page for a given page and then re-link it under the gallery. To which I didn't agree with because you'd be essentially linking the same thing twice since the related videos for the given article can already be seen on the sidebar. Kyosei (talk) 21:42, December 3, 2012 (UTC)

Re:Animal symbolism
I just dont think what he did was fair to you, or the effort you had put into what you had done. As an admin one is meant to step back and leave the editing of the wiki to people like us, and only make major edits when necessary. Admins are meant to prevent the Quick-Deletes of pages. Also I dont consider it "disrespecting" someone when you call them out on doing something stupid. Yes Admins are people who have worked on wikis a long time, and usually know what they are doing. But if they do something that you consider stupid or something they had rushed without thinking it through, its our job to call them out on that. As the saying goes, "Power Corrupts". Oh well, at least hes not as bad as Sake when it comes to undoing other peoples edits. At least Kyosei will, in most situations, listen to reason. Ixbran (talk) 06:34, November 23, 2012 (UTC)

Murasame Castle
Thank you for the pictures of the demon lords in their demon forms. I saw them and was wondering, if it is possible, if you can get higher quality screen shots, with a clear view of the full front of their forms, i can edit the backgrounds out of the pictures so its just their bodies. Ixbran (talk) 09:17, November 28, 2012 (UTC)

Re;Vandal
Already done. Kyosei (talk) 19:13, November 30, 2012 (UTC)

Centering
is mainly an aesthetic that I don't really care much for. Ixbran prefers it all the time, I'm focusing more on putting the information down and little else. Sometimes centering things looks distracting to me, like the image takes precedence over everything else regarding the said topic. There really isn't a set standard regarding galleries. Plus it looks really bad on monobook view, but that's just me. If it bothers you, you can re-add it. Sake neko (talk) 18:40, December 13, 2012 (UTC)

Re:Videos again
I was never really a fan of how Wikia's implemented videos into the base code, especially since it's still obviously flimsy coding that was never not fully debugged and can/will crash web browsers. In principle I'm not fully against videos being added to the articles, I'd just rather they'd be original videos created by fans as opposed to just trailers released by Koei themselves. It kind of goes back to the whole idea of why I don't like Wikipedia copy/paste. I'd rather there be original and instructive material over something a visitor will most likely have already seen, especially if they are a dedicated follower/fan. It especially starts to get a bit into overkill territory at this point with this game if they're going to release a trailer for every character. That's going to be over 70 videos. Ixban argues he'd want them for page views for the wiki but I'd rather those hits go to Koei's official venues themselves. I'm pretty sure they use those hits to gauge consumer interest and I personally would rather not take away from that if it can be helped. Kyosei (talk) 15:41, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

Videos
Thank you for all your help Humble, I really appreciate it. Ixbran (talk) 08:31, February 7, 2013 (UTC)


 * You're welcome. I can see that you're trying hard as well. Two or more heads are better than one, wouldn't you agree? Humble Novice (talk) 08:36, February 7, 2013 (UTC)

Toukiden
http://www.4gamer.net/games/185/G018513/

you think you could help out with getting info on this game on the wiki. i dont understand japanese at all, yet you seem to have a grasp on it. All i can do really is provide pics and videos and minor info, but I cant really do anything big like this on my own. Ixbran (talk) 01:04, February 10, 2013 (UTC)


 * Truth be told, my skills in Japanese are mediocre at best. And besides, Sake Neko has already included relevant information regarding this game into the site. It's best to have him or her handle it for the time being. Humble Novice (talk) 01:40, February 10, 2013 (UTC)

Marc and Georges
I haven't played the game too extensively so I need to ask: do they do the same exact things throughout the game? Are they like Zhang Fei's Kessen daughters or these twins? If so, then why not merge their pages and images together? They sound like from your descriptions that they're an inseparable pair, and they don't have much going for them by being apart. Sake neko (talk) 02:43, February 10, 2013 (UTC)


 * Merging their pages together sounds fine to me. The two of them always appear together in the same battles minus a few request missions with other characters and their temporary fallout with one another. By the way, I also marked Sonic2479's images for deletion since this individual seems to upload stuff while not writing articles about them. Is that okay with you? Humble Novice (talk) 02:56, February 10, 2013 (UTC)


 * I don't know, it depends on the person. I'd ideally like to give them time to make the pages (if they are going to). If it's just pictures and there's nothing indicating that they'll actually do the pages, then yeah. Especially if it's a lot of pictures at once. Lazy pic spam with no context to back it up isn't really something that should be encouraged at any wiki really. Sake neko (talk) 03:20, February 10, 2013 (UTC)


 * So far, he or she hasn't made a single article in this site for almost a week now. Say, you've played this game before, right? Are any of those characters from the images playable in the first title? Or are they exclusively available in the sequel? If you're interested, perhaps you might consider writing about them like you did with the rest of the main cast. Humble Novice (talk) 03:41, February 10, 2013 (UTC)


 * I've played it, but I have a little rule I want to follow with myself with second party collaborations like this. I don't write for something I haven't watched/read because that isn't respectful to the original work.


 * I haven't watched all the Gundams featured in Gundam Musou, so I've only touched on the ones I have personally seen (the original, most of Zeta and Double Zeta, Char's Counterattack, Unicorn, Stardust Memories, Double O). One Piece is a mixed beast with me as well, in that I have only seen select sections of it. I have read certain arcs ages ago, but they aren't in Kaizoku Musou. So there isn't a lot I can write about these characters. I do know somethings about it through osmosis, like the crew hearing the spirit of Going Merry while it "dies" and Ace's and Whitebeard's deaths.


 * I have watched and read all of Hokuto no Ken before, so that's why I could whip out those pages so quickly. I might go through and finish the rest of the Hokuto no Ken characters just because, but One Piece isn't on the table for me. And given the length of catching up I would have to do, it probably won't be for awhile. Sake neko (talk) 04:14, February 10, 2013 (UTC)


 * I might try to write this articles later, but you'll have to make a grammar check, then. ````


 * Thank you very much, Anton. Your help is greatly appreciated. Humble Novice (talk) 16:04, February 10, 2013 (UTC)

Gru...
WHY DO YOU DELETE A QUOTE OF AYANE AND NENE IN OW3 >.<!!!


 * Because they're not really needed in her character page. Like I said before, more than two dialogue samples from a single game is just too excessive. Humble Novice (talk) 15:27, February 14, 2013 (UTC)

Bladestorm
Just thought of something else. I'm doing this too, starting now. Whenever you select a squad in-game, look in the bottom left corner near where level is displayed, and make a note of whether or not it's light, normal, or heavy armor. This seems to vary based on the individual squads, like special abilities. But I can't seem to find to find a listing of that property anywhere EXCEPT the HUD when you are controlling them. It's certainly not in the Diary. I'll start adding armor info to Unit Types (Bladestorm) within the next week. SinisterSamurai (talk) 22:56, February 15, 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the tip. I'll be sure to put in some additional stuff into the unit page as well. Humble Novice (talk) 21:00, February 16, 2013 (UTC)

Zuo Ci
Thank you for the video. Please try to be more polite, I was not rude to you and would appreciate the same courtesy. We are likely to encounter each other in the future and I would rather be friendly than not. Lance Colonel Ligre (talk) 02:46, February 22, 2013 (UTC)


 * I would like to thank you once again for the video, as I could not find it ANYWHERE! Lance Colonel Ligre (talk) 02:10, February 23, 2013 (UTC)


 * You're welcome. I too am looking forward to the game's release. We only have less than a week left before it becomes available in Japan. Humble Novice (talk) 04:45, February 23, 2013 (UTC)

Weapon Names
Just so you know –because I'm seeing it in the Recent Changes– your logic regarding the Lu Bu weapon is flawed if you're including the English localization changes for the SW characters you're adding. Their weapon names are the same in Japanese and their weapon models even are the same regardless of the English translated name. Exactly the same in many cases. So I don't understand your reasoning for undoing Lu Bu at all. Sake neko (talk) 06:12, February 23, 2013 (UTC)


 * Oh, I know that. It's simply because the weapon level between the first and latest Samurai Warriors games are different from one another. Isn't that why the info box has sections for 4th and 5th weapons? And also, Lu Bu's Royal Halberd and Sky Scorcher are both halberds with the same Japanese name and weapon level despite differences in appearance. Isn't that enough to classify them as the same weapon? In Oichi's case, however, I separated her 5th weapons from SW2 and SW3 since the two differ in design and function despite having identical kanji characters. Does that make any sense to you? Humble Novice (talk) 06:23, February 23, 2013 (UTC)


 * Sorry about that. After I bothered to look at Lu Bu's weapons page, I agree with you. We should go by whatever the Japanese kanji says because it clearly identifies that they're the same exact bloody weapon regardless of the game. The only thing that is different is how they chose to localize said weapon into English and the rendered background for the weapon image. Plus, if the older Warriors titles are anything to go by, they're really all over the place about how they choose to translate them anyways, so the idea of following only English localization is fallible.


 * But, even if I said this to Ixbran with the most logical and nicest approach that I know, they'll just throw a surly insult like "you're not the admin so shut up" or "you don't care about Warriors things so stay out it". Frankly speaking, I'm too sick of reading that type of response right now. I would say you're better off waiting for Kyosei's opinion on the matter. Sake neko (talk) 06:30, February 23, 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks. It's a relief to know I'm not the only one who feels the same way about organizing pages. Truth be told, I'd rather have this "mountain out of a molehill" argument with Ixbran end as soon as possible so I can focus more on other stuff that needs to be done. Humble Novice (talk) 06:41, February 23, 2013 (UTC)

If the localization was even the slightest bit consistent, there wouldn't be really a problem using the English names for all the weapons. Unfortunately this isn't really the case and would agree trying to denote a different English translation for a weapon that hasn't actually changed as an actual new weapon is silly. Kyosei (talk) 05:28, February 26, 2013 (UTC)

,
Listen I appreciate you attempting to help me with my grammar. But please, the next time you need to point something out, send it to me on my talk page alright. That post of yours is always going to be within the history section of that page.

I understand that being literate and punctual is needed on a site such as a Wiki, but please if you notice I have spelling or grammatical errors in the future, let me know in a PM on the KW Forum or here on a talk page. Because it is very embarrassing and humiliating for that to be there. And knowing it will always be there makes it hurt even more. Ixbran (talk) 06:13, February 25, 2013 (UTC)

Hi I'm requesting an approvel to print out your picture of ma chao to be put on a shirt for my brother birthday gift .. Http://koei.wikia.com/wiki/file%3AMa_Chao_Concept_Artwork_(DW3).png

Kmaysareth (talk) 08:45, February 27, 2013 (UTC)

DW8 Art
Why are you uploading the Photos of the Artwork from the book? why not wait until high quality scans show up? As of now you can see where the pictures bend near the spine of the book, as well as light glare on the images from the flash of the camera. I guess they will make decent temps until they are scanned in, but still dont you think it would have been better to wait? Ixbran (talk) 03:55, March 1, 2013 (UTC)

Ma Su
I'm not questioning you, I'm just wondering if you can give me a link or excerpt to something in english? Please? Lance Colonel Ligre (talk) 23:22, March 1, 2013 (UTC)


 * Just watch this stream and you'll understand: http://zh-tw.twitch.tv/quesa74/b/372128044


 * That's almost 20 hours long! A little help please? Lance Colonel Ligre (talk) 00:14, March 2, 2013 (UTC)


 * Go to 13:28:18 of the video and watch the scene unfold before your very eyes. Even if you can't understand Japanese, there's no indication that Ma Su is going to be executed (since, after all, it's an alternate story event). Humble Novice (talk) 03:54, March 2, 2013 (UTC)


 * Thank you so much! I'm so happy you can save Ma Su this time! He is my favorite npc, and I think he deserved to be unique more than *shudder* Guan Yinping... Anyway, thank you again for the video. Sorry for taking your time! Lance Colonel Ligre (talk) 04:34, March 2, 2013 (UTC)

Re:Upload bug
I've personally never seen this happen before, trying to edit it also gives me a weird error. I can try deleting it so you can re-upload it. Kyosei (talk) 10:10, March 2, 2013 (UTC)

costumes
You do have a point, guess i got a little too excited. Sorry if i caused any trouble Humble. Ill see if i can get my hands on any of the other costumes that are more of a change, aside from just re-colors. Ixbran (talk)

DW8 Weapon images
I was thinking, since in DW8 every character has their own move set, and that its been confirmed that the game is going to keep with the classic of 4th and 5th weapons, rather than making a Weapons Page like we did with DW7, and 7XL, we should just put the weapon images on the characters pages, like we are doing now with the WO3 weapons. I think it would be a lot easier, and since no one is sharing a weapon type there's no need for a page to show off the different versions of a weapon. Sure if there are DLC weapon skins we can easily just put those on the DLC Page with the necessary info put on it. Ixbran (talk) 00:14, March 21, 2013 (UTC)

Re:Yo!
Not too bad, not too good. Just right. I didn't do much to really brag about, but that's life. Plus, it gave me time to connect again with three of my other loves: JoJo's Bizarre Adventure, cooking, and Sudoku. Sake neko (talk) 18:45, March 29, 2013 (UTC)
 * To be completely honest, I don't really like TRINITY. It feels like an Omega Force version of a Tri-Ace or Tales of game with crunched and awkward camera angles. I can't even say that I liked the story or characters this game introduces since the original Zill O'll is eons richer and stronger in that department. In fact, this game somehow made the dungeons and skill learning feel like more of a chore than before despite its faster system. What I did enjoy was too far and few in between Areus's melodrama for me to latch onto this game. It's superior in graphics, speed, and action compared to Zill O'll, but that's it. Sake neko (talk) 05:09, March 30, 2013 (UTC)

Dan



 * Video 1: didnt freeze enemies like you claimed, in fact it actually caused FIRE Damage, you can tell by the RED FLASHING. Possibly an item which allows true musou at any times is equipped or something.
 * Video 2: there were juggernauts or something running around on stage blasting ice at everyone, the frozen characters in that video could easily be attributed that.
 * Video 3 + 4: One enemy was frozen in each. Those could easily be attributed to an element such as ice attached to the weapon, and even so no enemies were pulled towards Dan, they were only blown away.

I am willing to bet that the chances of freezing enemies with that move is possible, but Very low. So that is something I am willing to accept. also that first video, not everyone has access to a niconico account. Your lucky that i have access to a Nico video converter site. Provided the video i saw to show for your self. the video was posted recently, and im willing to bet the reasons i didnt see any ice in it could be because of one of the two patches that the game has. One of the patches did include character balancing, and the Ice effect could have been taken away. Which would explain why it didn't show up in the video Ixbran (talk) 00:14, April 3, 2013 (UTC)


 * You know i just realized something, each time he uses his Musou in this video he glows red and not the traditional soft blue, perhaps in the video the player has an item equipped to make it so he always uses his True Musou. Maybe thats why i never saw any ice in the video, because true musous always inflict fire damage. Also i noticed something interesting i hadn't before, when using his alt ground musou when he summons the winds, there are always 4 foot soldiers that rush by him in a straight line charging enemies, then disappear when the move is finished. Maybe the winds them self dont damage enemies but the 4 men who charge in front of him? Ixbran (talk) 01:31, April 3, 2013 (UTC)

Why ? The rōmaji of Sun Quan is same the rōmaji of Sun Jian ? Sun Jian's romaji is Son Ken, Sun Quan's romaji is Son Ken ??? I think the romaji of Sun Quan is Son Sen because the romaji of Huang Quan is Kousen :)
 * I NOT UNDERSTAND !!!!!!!!

Sweet Haul
Score. Where on earth did you find all that Bladestorm concept art? SinisterSamurai (talk) 16:35, April 16, 2013 (UTC)


 * I got them from the game's official artbook which contains more than 90 pages worth of various images and data. Humble Novice (talk) 21:10, April 16, 2013 (UTC)

Do you own Dynasty Warriors 8 Japanese Version??

SHUT UP!

help with another wiki
I'm sorry for bothering you, but i need your help. Some time ago I started up a Dragon's Crown Wiki, and I have been finding my self struggling with it since I'm building it from the ground up, with little help. One of my major problems with dealing with this is that i have little knowledge when it comes to coding. things like templates and navigation tables are very hard for me to make. If you ever have the time, I would hope you'd consider helping out a little bit. But if you are not interested, that is fine too. sorry for bothering you. Ixbran (talk) 08:47, May 27, 2013 (UTC)

Dynasty Tactics Pics
Hi there, I just wanted to ask if you got those DT pics from a specific website. Would be cool to know what characters feature there who do not appear in the regular Dynasty Warriors so that character pages don't get deleted because the character doesn't feature in many games (Mao Jie for example does not appear in DW). - Hero of Chaos (talk) 10:08, May 27, 2013 (UTC)


 * I got those from the first Dynasty Tactics game. Before I can say which characters appear in that title, I would suggest that we finish expanding the current articles in this site so that we won't have anymore stubs piled up. It's easier that way unless you're absolutely certain of writing a new article with enough content not to label it a stub. Humble Novice (talk) 16:55, May 27, 2013 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I just wanted to ask for future references. Expanding existing articles should be the priority for now. - Hero of Chaos (talk) 19:36, May 27, 2013 (UTC)

Naotora
I know. I play the social game and saw it as such, and that confused me as well. I looked a little more into it, and it appears that characters do a Russian roulette with their portraits if they are somewhat secondary. Like Kaihime using an edit character portrait from an old game in the social game. I really wasn't sure if I was seeing straight, so I double checked myself by looking at the generic wiki and there she is. I don't know what else to tell you other than that. Sake neko (talk) 15:37, July 8, 2013 (UTC)

Toukiden Protagonist
I remember that rule, i just thought since they have multiple renders of them depicted with the different weapons, perhaps those would be allowed? I dunno, just thought it would be nice to have, seeing as the page feels very blank without some sort of gallery involved. I mean after all, we have other pages with protagonists depicted them with different appearances. Then again, these are weapons, not costumes. Ixbran (talk) 06:53, July 10, 2013 (UTC)


 * We usually allow renders of characters wearing the same outfit (while also wielding different weapons) so long as they're from separate games or enhanced ports. Also, some pages don't really need a gallery to be complete if they contain enough information to not classify them as a stub. Humble Novice (talk) 07:00, July 10, 2013 (UTC)

Ixbran (talk) 08:21, July 10, 2013 (UTC)
 * Ahh, alrighty then. Maybe I'll make a new protagonist image with all the different weapons. that way it fills out the page a bit more. also, i was wondering, will you be making a navigation template for Toukiden? with all the different monster types, weapon skins, and armor types the game is gonna have, i have a feeling this game is definitely going to need one. I would also advise in making multiple pages for the different weapon skins. Not just putting all the different weapon designs on one page. If this game turns out to be anything like Monster Hunter, in terms of weapons, we will definitely have over the 100's, with various designs and type differences.


 * Normally, we only make navigation templates for a game series, and there are no current plans to make a Toukiden sequel or spin-off title since it's just been released. Also, it's not necessary to make separate pages for every weapon type since each one only has more than 20 different models. Instead, it would be better to make individual pages for weapons, defensive gear, and materials. Humble Novice (talk) 20:03, July 10, 2013 (UTC)

Warriors Orochi Battles
are mostly fakey-fake, original, dream battles. So you shouldn't think that any of them are close to being historical. Ideally, it should at least put down a stage when so-and-so first appears. And, in the case of the latest games, the only stage after their first appearance when said character appears to have any significant impact/focus during the main story. WO characters as a whole all apply for this, since they tend to not have any battles in the series which are based on anything remotely like their historical counterparts. They are either mythological, from a completely different time era, or not even from Earth to begin with. Sake neko (talk) 18:17, July 18, 2013 (UTC)

Souls
can come from/be farmed from particular places, which aren't always based on the same time period they were alive. For instance, you get Ieyasu's soul the first time from Bu which is based on the Kamakura and Muramachi periods. Don't bother trying to categorize the charts that way. It's misleading, and it's not how the game bothers to do it either. Sake neko (talk) 05:12, July 19, 2013 (UTC)


 * Ah, sorry about that. I thought it would be a good idea to mention that small bit since the game allows you to sort out souls based on their property type or period. Humble Novice (talk) 05:19, July 19, 2013 (UTC)


 * True, but those translations aren't really appreciated. Just go by the romanji of the area for now, since these are going to change anyways with localization. Sake neko (talk) 05:32, July 19, 2013 (UTC)


 * Okay then, I'll revert the names back until the game has been localized. Humble Novice (talk) 05:34, July 19, 2013 (UTC)

Re:Hundun
I already told Sake I would let things be because im not in the mood for dealing with him right now. I dont see how it wouldn't be the pre-existing Generic. They have made generics playable in the DW and SW series. how you guys could think this is a completely different hundon/hammerjaw is beyond me. Though you do have a point, his name might end up being changed in future western releases. I guess i never thought of that, so my bad on that. But untill that possible name change does happen, ill tell you what I told sake. If it does indeed turn out to be the same Hundun that served Yuan shao, then I expect the proper name change to the article to reflect his current western style name. In the event it is changed to something else in future WO games, that's fine. and if it turns out to be a completely different hundun all together, then thats fine too. Ixbran (talk) 05:31, September 4, 2013 (UTC)

help with Samurai Warriors 3 quotes
I know we have our differences in quotes, but I need help in finding all the battle quotes of Samurai Warriors 3. soundrip the audio if you have to.


 * I'd like to help, but I only have the Japanese version of the game. You'll have to find someone else to assist you in this endeavor. How about asking Ixbran? I believe he has a copy of the English version since he knows so much about Murasame Mode. Humble Novice (talk) 03:14, October 15, 2013 (UTC)

Hyakuman-nin no Sangokushi portraits
Hey there, could you look up Song Xian's portraits in this game again? I'm pretty much 100% sure that the first and second portraits in his gallery belong to Xu Sheng. At least they do in RoTK, I don't know if that new game switched around some things. - Hero of Chaos (talk) 08:15, November 15, 2013 (UTC)


 * Oh, you're right. It looks like I misnamed three of the portraits there. Thanks for the heads up, I'll fix that right away. Humble Novice (talk) 08:45, November 15, 2013 (UTC)

Could you please just limit your future uploads to new portraits which only appear in the social game? The majority of these portraits, and I know because I played them, are just reused ones from previous games in the main series (V~IX usually). The same goes for 100man Nobunaga. Sake neko (talk) 16:57, November 20, 2013 (UTC)


 * Truth be told, I've never understood the logic in not allowing previous images from Sangokushi and Nobunaga no Yabou to be uploaded while doing the opposite for the Warriors series. Doesn't that seem kind of hypocritical? Are we not supposed to give other series the same treatment? There's nothing in the style guide that prevents the inclusion of older artworks or renders from past installments. I can understand why you'd be so concerned about adding them here since there's so many to begin with, but look at it this way: the image section for the Warriors characters is just as numerous if not more. Graphical information is still information after all. We already have a feature that allows us to organize images from different games into one page, so what reason could everyone have in denying the inclusion of the older images from the two aforementioned series? Humble Novice (talk) 17:49, November 20, 2013 (UTC)


 * If you want to take the time to upload ALL of the available portraits for EVERY single character in every single entry of those two series, be my guest. If you're willing to be that thorough about it then go ahead. Sake neko (talk) 17:57, November 20, 2013 (UTC)


 * I'll gladly take that challenge head on. Know that I do this because I want to see the wiki grow as much as you do. Humble Novice (talk) 18:26, November 20, 2013 (UTC)

Geten no Hana Infobox
To sum up the reasons why:
 * 1) There could still be something else that could be added based on whatever Yumeakari does/something I'm forgetting to add to it so it's a work in progress.
 * 2) Red and orange are key colors in Geten no Hana; the gradient and uniformed changes made to match other templates caused it lose its identity. It looked way too similar to the Samurai Warriors template.
 * 3) The gradients in general are kinda more like a polish and really not that necessary to focus on, especially at this stage.

Maybe once everyone is done, which is kinda close, but not while I'm still working on them. It's a bit distracting because then I'm mulling on an aesthetic when I should be really focusing on putting down the information first. Sake neko (talk) 15:12, November 26, 2013 (UTC)


 * Also please never upload Neoromance event stills onto the wiki. Those are reserved for actual endings and character routes you actually have to work for and aren't readily available in the default script. It's something that would be better to actually play and experience the game for than have featured on a character page. Sake neko (talk) 22:01, November 26, 2013 (UTC)


 * Well, alright then. Just one question though, is Oichi mentioned in this game? Humble Novice (talk) 00:03, November 27, 2013 (UTC)
 * No. And to answer future inquiries, any female relative of the main characters you'd think could be in the game are not in it. Sake neko (talk) 01:17, November 27, 2013 (UTC)

jpg vs png
Quite frankly, I like keeping the filetype in whatever format I find it in when I first saved it. If the news report I got said image from is a jpg (and they usually are), then I would leave it as that. This is for four simple reasons:
 * 1) it's respectful to the original uploader and source to keep it as that.
 * 2) jpg almost always loads faster than a png on the web, regardless of the visitor's browser speed.
 * 3) jpg is generally universal, and not every visitor can read pngs from their browsers.
 * 4) converting a jpg (or whatever file type it is) to png just for your reasons of having consistency actually loses image quality of the original image, unless the image was originally saved as a png in the first place.

But, if you must know, I only prefer png for small images or sprites, because they take little to no time to load and average users prefer the transparency benefits found in those type of pngs. Otherwise, I would always go for jpg for the reasons stated above. All the fancy Wikia coding in the world can do nothing to reverse or slow the time it takes to load 20+ pngs on a character page, especially if they are bigger than 30px. Sake neko (talk) 02:13, December 1, 2013 (UTC)
 * Technically speaking, I was referring to the conversion/image compression issue that you brought up. I am aware that pngs are commonly known for being the "kings" so to speak of loseless image quality. But they're also not perfect, and really more cumbersome to work with if the image is not loseless to begin with. The absolute best method for image conversion anyone can do is work from the raw data (which we obviously cannot do) and then render it from an actual rendering program set aside focusing solely on image quality (another thing which we obviously cannot do), rather than rely solely on Photoshop wizardry for the web (which is what we get in official websites/news reports). What I'm saying is that caring about an image's preservation/quality is somewhat moot when we're not even getting "the bestest" anyways. I'd say it's just better to be modest about it and play the games. Sake neko (talk) 05:20, December 1, 2013 (UTC)
 * Also, go back and upload the full images of the cards if you want to put up card images. It's like you're saying you don't care when you crop it like that. Sake neko (talk) 06:07, December 1, 2013 (UTC)

Re:Layout change
The fluid layout is part of a Wikia wide change and something I can't really do much about. Kyosei (talk) 23:16, December 4, 2013 (UTC)


 * I've played around with the css a little bit and made the font smaller. If it seems too small I can make it bigger again. Kyosei (talk) 23:53, December 4, 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks for changing the text size, Kyosei. While I don't personally like the sudden increase in page width, I'll get used to it somehow. Humble Novice (talk) 02:49, December 5, 2013 (UTC)

Re:Show/hide
Hmm I haven't found anything which lets you directly do it within the nav template itself. I'd essentially have to make a new template to use css code from the common.css to use the specific color called for, for the specific template that needs it. Which really is a lot of work for a trivial aesthetic change. Kyosei (talk) 00:20, December 10, 2013 (UTC)

Re:Gradients
The gradient coding does not always show up for mobile browsers; you either get an empty box with floating text or an approximation of the gradient's possible color base. At least with a solid web safe color, something shows up rather than a counterproductive result. If it gets to the point where I have to squint or if it stings my eyes to even read the text, it's kinda defeating the purpose of having an infobox on the side for quick and easy information.

As for the PC browsing side, I was only concerned with removing the gradient for the navigation templates since that much concentrated color in such a condensed space subconsciously made the font look inferior and much harder to read then it needed to be, even with the font size boost. I wasn't really thinking of touching the infoboxes, but honestly I could go either way at this point. The changes made since then are interesting to say the least. Sake neko (talk) 06:15, December 15, 2013 (UTC)