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Character Symbolism Sections
try to elaborate on Koei's version of the character only. These sections aim to focus on the original origin of a famous character trait within Koei's games or explain the historical/mythological meanings found with their weapons. '''This wiki does not compare said character to other versions of the same character in fictional contemporary media. Nor does it aim to explain how said traits make alterations in other fictional media.''' That's straying off topic.

There are very few exceptions to this, only because it is so strong a reference that it can't be ignored or stated in any other fashion. The Houshin Engi reference in Taigong Wang's section or the Hana no Keiji references in Keiji's sections, for example. Sake neko (talk) 16:14, November 8, 2013 (UTC)

Please refrain from adding Japanese notes for Chinese characters unless it is specifically Japanese origin (for instance Qinglong being green is Chinese, Qinglong being blue is typically Japanese). And please reread the sections you wish to edit to avoid repeating notes and observations which were previously done before like on Guan Yu's page. And please do not add more onyomi or English translations to a page because it is distracting to read. Humble Novice put them there for the benefit of people playing the Japanese only dub of the Rotk related games. Sake neko (talk) 16:59, April 22, 2015 (UTC)
 * Please stop being so literal minded with your understanding of Chinese characters. That's not how language comprehension works for any language. When I say "It's like beating a dead horse", I don't actually mean I am flogginging a horse carcass. Sake neko (talk) 20:45, August 19, 2015 (UTC)


 * Oh? Enlighten me cause my patience is running dry with these far fetched symbolisms. Sure, getting rid of things like the on'yomi readings where enough but of course, you somehow keep saying that on Cao Ren's symbolism that I'm overstating. I was simply moving around stuff and then you say I'm repeating shit. Back then I felt annnoyed that I'm pissing you guys off but now I'm just a little annoyed about how everything doesn't fall much into place. Having things like Lu Xun being associated with a sparrow is enough, but things like the "Peng" being in Cao Ren's fourth weapon? No, I don't see that shit for one bit. SneaselSawashiro (talk) 22:10, August 19, 2015 (UTC)


 * I have three words for you: let it go. Humble Novice (talk) 22:55, August 19, 2015 (UTC)

Literal Translation
Well, I don't think literal translations for Musou attacks are necessary unless the localizes name is vastly different from the original. As for weapons, we already have that covered in the character symbolism section. Humble Novice (talk) 03:16, July 21, 2014 (UTC)

Please do not revert the voice actor names using macron spellings. If the voice actor or an official profile uses an English spelling of their name, use that. They actually bothered to write it out in a language they do not understand so respect that. Macron spellings are generally seen as a foreign invention and not truly faithful to how the actor may want to see it. We do not have to follow suit with Wikipedia's way of doing it.

They're fine for historical figures though. Sake neko (talk) 21:57, September 29, 2014 (UTC)

Re:Proposals
Facts like Zhang Fei and Lu Bu's taunts can just go on the respective character moveset pages/fighting style sections. It's what they're there for. Regarding voice actor trivia. No. There used to be that here and it was so prevalent it was just better to make the voice actors their own pages hence why it's now its own category on the wiki. In fact, I don't really like trivia sections. Most trivia I see on wikis tends to be full of info that could be easily integrated within the article itself or better implemented somewhere else on the wiki as a whole.

I've never been a fan of literal translations as localization is always more of a case of capturing the spirit of the meaning and, in real world logic, no one ever uses the literal meaning unless it makes sense.

Romanji for style names. I'm not a huge fan of it. Kyosei (talk) 06:40, September 30, 2014 (UTC)

A break
Since I have been making changes that are rubbing people the wrong way, I suppose I'll take a break from this wiki since I feel I don't want to cause anymore tensions. Of course, due to having a history as such with other wikis beforehand, I'd at least like to give out a word before my break from this wiki (I've already been blocked from other wikis due to my behavior and I'd rather not face such things due to regret).

Sorry, and I don't want to say at all that I might be back soon, or even do any wiki activity in a while. I hope. Better than forcing others to block me I suppose. SneaselSawashiro (talk) 23:35, September 30, 2014 (UTC)
 * As the only active admin here and thus the only one who has the ability to block you from editing, I don't see how any edits you've done recently, or at all, would warrant a block. You're doing fine. But if you feel it is necessary then take all the time you need. Kyosei (talk) 04:07, October 1, 2014 (UTC)

Style Names and English mispronunciations
Please stop trying to add these notes. I find they don't add much of anything and are superficial notes to Japanese culture rather than the actual figure in question.

And you're implying that's the case in all Koei games when English localization in Romance of the Three Kingdoms beat DW to the punch ages before they were bothered it. Sake neko (talk) 02:11, October 19, 2014 (UTC)
 * You don't need to mention how the Japanese script refers to characters by their style names in the Warriors games. It's already mentioned wholesale on the style name article. Kyosei (talk) 02:19, October 19, 2014 (UTC)


 * Now you see why I needed the break? Well, might as well just ban me while you can if I keep wasting your time and driving you nuts with messes to clean up. Like I said it's happened before, and you stated I didn't need to be banned. So just slap me already....not like I ever was going to change in the end. SneaselSawashiro (talk) 04:23, October 19, 2014 (UTC)
 * Uh...just because another editor disagrees with your edits doesn't mean it's a case for banning. I'm never quick to ban anyone unless the edits in question are obviously trolling or abusive in nature. You clearly had good intentions so it's not that big a deal. I don't know what wikis or admins you've dealt with in the past but that doesn't really matter to me. I'm only judging you based on what you do here on this wiki. Just take a look at the active bans. I'm pretty lenient and patient. It takes a lot of persistence to get a block from me. Kyosei (talk) 06:23, October 19, 2014 (UTC)
 * Let's just say, someone like Sourenga has enough when people screw around with his localizations..... (forgive me for the long reply, I'm slow and lazy with stupidly poor management :P) SneaselSawashiro (talk) 07:29, November 20, 2014 (UTC)

Literal Translation 2
Regarding the idea, I'd like to do something a bit different from what I wanted to propose earlier. For the Musou attacks, especially with Yueying's second EX Attack edit giving an idea, is it fine if I try a templete like this? "This attack is known as [insert romaji name here (English translation here)] in the Asian script".

For the weapons, I feel they can be put in a bullet point section that also shows the romaji and literal tranlsations in either Character Symbolism or the Weapon section itself; just not in the weapon box names cause that would be tedious and take up too much template space.

P.S.: I can't do a "In the Asian script, Sun Ce yells out XXXXX" due to his attack cry not being audible enough for me. All I can hear is something-something-kyaku. SneaselSawashiro (talk) 01:42, April 12, 2015 (UTC)
 * If you want to be really specific, 豪 shouldn't use a single interpretation at all because even that would be off in this case. It should use the all the meanings with Keiji, but really it's hard to choose one. Either he's a strong unwieldy person, a courageous person who could potentially be a leader, or a manly man amongst men. That's what the tangorin definition is abbreviating with their single kanji definition. Sake neko (talk) 12:51, April 16, 2015 (UTC)
 * Well, I do get that part, but with Musashi's part to be honest, the kanji for 極 being ultimate I can understand, but it's the same kanji used in Wei Yan's previous weapons, meant to translate to "extreme" or "polar". The kanji combo for 究極 (kyuukyoku) would mainly translate to ultimate. Unless that's actually Omega Force of USA's call to use those kanji to translate to that (sometimes our country's localizations baffles me greatly but I have to know I can't argue with it....). Also, for the 斬 (zan) kanji, cut is close, but a ton of things use that as "slash". SneaselSawashiro (talk) 18:36, April 16, 2015 (UTC)
 * Not all things are going to be the exactly same, and it's up to localization to differentiate how to interpret something. If you believe that a kanji can only be read in one way, then you're mistaken. 斬 for instance can mean cut or slash, but it can also be used for kill. 極 can mean ultimate, extreme, polar, or perfection. It means something that cannot be topped. This is one of those cases where you're supposed to trust your gut feeling and not be so literal minded about it. It's the same for any language and translation. Like for instance, gut feeling; I don't actually mean you should touch your innards. Sake neko (talk) 18:57, April 16, 2015 (UTC)

Could you not do the literal translations? Some of them are completely off from the intended meanings and are thus misinforming rather than helpful. Kyosei (talk) 20:37, April 16, 2015 (UTC)

Is it only for the kanji symbols for the Samurai Warriors characters, or just in general? And if I'm provoking this matter further once more....I guess I need to take a break....AGAIN.... (fml) SneaselSawashiro (talk) 20:55, April 16, 2015 (UTC)
 * The problem with some of the literal translations is all of them only take in account the modern/contemporary meaning or only using one translation as if it's the only way it can be translated. Usually, Koei likes to derive meanings from more archaic origins or different meanings entirely than the transliterations you're using. Everything in language changes based on the context it's being used and literal translations doesn't always reflect that. For example, 娘 (musume) would generally be translated as daughter, but it can also be used as another way to address a young lady or maiden who is not directly related to the speaker. You can't just make clear cut translations. Kyosei (talk) 21:55, April 16, 2015 (UTC)


 * From the looks of it, you seem to have this kind of problem with almost every wiki you've joined. There are other ways to contribute even if you don't have much time in your hands; spelling checks, grammar corrections, and proper hyperlinking are some examples of helping out. No one's really mad at you, but your pity party act isn't very endearing nor sincere. Humble Novice (talk) 07:07, April 17, 2015 (UTC)


 * Well, still slap me either way. I'm still not doing things right regardless. But meh, I have to thank you for pointing that out since I always punch myself a lot. Bad habit of mine, and I'm personally very angry at myself for doing such stupid mistakes I'm not supposed to do anyway, yet I keep doing them. SneaselSawashiro (talk) 20:28, April 17, 2015 (UTC)


 * And yes, you are right. I need to stop this stupid pity act. Just part of me is just afraid of what people have said if they notice I've done something that isn't acceptable by certain standards. I would have to be working on how to take such news and how to handle my mistakes better I'll admit. Too much of a bad habit of beating myself up due to trying to meet expectations only to seemingly not fulfill a specific criteria and thus supposedly invoke someone's wrath. SneaselSawashiro (talk) 02:06, April 18, 2015 (UTC)

11th Weapons
Say, do you own this weapon walkthrough by any chance? I noticed some of the things you wrote in Jiang Wei's weapon page are taken from the guide and elaborated upon to make it look different. It's a cause for concern because viewers may think we copied it without asking permission from the original writer. Humble Novice (talk) 06:49, April 17, 2015 (UTC)

No, I actually don't own that page, but I was simply pointing out the things that I personally found out that could happen on Jiang Wei's Legend Mode due to the two videos (the blurry English one and the Japanese version attempt). I think that info was copied unto this wiki in some way, but due to the things that occured in the two videos I had to point them out in a more elaborate fashion just in case. One was that Liu Shan can indeed exit past the two gates and you simply can just isolate your fights from him, and second is that each gate seems to only be closed for a certain amount of time, and it's possible to either engage in a quick fight as soon as you close the gates or have the officers come to you near the gongs. Liu Shan if he's past the gates will always head to either an onscreen general or active entry point, and due to the nature of DW4's system for the latter, they re-spawn very often and must often be tended to. In the English version attempt, Liu Shan is often occupied with enemy peons, so you don't have to act that quick if he happens to be outside the gates. SneaselSawashiro (talk) 20:27, April 17, 2015 (UTC)

For proof, here's the Japanese version of Jiange (Kenkaku in on'yomi): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmaxJDvmHXw&hd=1 and here's the English version: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPO_CwVgn0Y&hd=1 Update, turns out only one gate can actually be closed/open at a time, and enemy peons can actually go through the open gates to assault Liu Shan. SneaselSawashiro (talk) 20:41, April 17, 2015 (UTC)

Translations on Talk Pages Only
I figured with what I did here on the Kingdom Hearts Wikia for KHII: http://www.khwiki.com/Talk:Kingdom_Hearts_II#An_in-depth_boss_explanation_that_cannot_be_included_in_the_main_gameplay_section

I could include personal stuff on the pages that won't interfere with any of the pages itself by putting it as a topic on the discussion pages. This will include rough translations of both the Musou attacks and the main weapon sets on their respective pages. Even if any of my stuff on said discussion pages should be included, I doubt it since I've noticed parts of this wiki are already delicate enough. SneaselSawashiro (talk) 20:34, April 20, 2015 (UTC)

Proofread
Proofread, proofread, proofread. That is a golden tip for anyone who wants to write. It helps you know if you are repeating information or if you're being too wordy. Just doing that alone can help you write concisely. I'm not perfect with proofreading or writing either. A lot of my minor edits are just going back and fixing my own mistakes. Be it spelling errors, grammar messes, or a bumbling lapse in judgment because I had something in my head but didn't actually put it down. I can be really wrong about something sometimes, and it's fine with me if someone else notices it and fixes it.

I admit I'm annoyed, but mostly because you are jumping the gun on a lot of things. I don't expect everyone who comes here to write or read the same way. I do expect someone to try to improve if they keep stating that it's their wish to improve. Stop beating yourself up, take note of the criticism you receive everywhere, and keep practicing. Sake neko (talk) 05:30, April 27, 2015 (UTC)

Then I need to find some sort of program or whatever that can at least help me proofread....my damn word program doesn't seem to allow it as well as before. SneaselSawashiro (talk) 05:54, April 27, 2015 (UTC)
 * Proofreading is a skill you should teach yourself. Or you can ask someone else to read your writing and edit it before you post it. Sake neko (talk) 05:56, April 27, 2015 (UTC)

Personal Musou Warriors idea
Ever since looking at Smite for a while due to me being a regular League of Legends player (I main Master Yi and Wukong and my summoner name is the same as this wikia account and my deviantart), I thought of a badass idea.

WHY ISN'T AO GUANG/GOU KOU IN WARRIORS/MUSOU OROCHI. I swear, his Smite incarnation is fit for the idea.

I'm a personal brainstormer with a ton of imagination put into several dream-game fanfics, a massive crossover and over 100 original characters on my deviantart, with my personal Warriors Musou Orochi-like crossver fic as one of the many things I've been indulging in. From there, indeed I've reworked several of the DW/SW incarnations of the historical Koei Warriors figures.

Thus, I have a feeling in that setting, an incarnation of the East Sea Dragon King Ao Guang (Toukai Ryuu'ou Gou Kou) similar to his current Smite incarnation IS PERFECT. Can't tell what character type he'd be, but I can easily imagine his R1 Type Action to a more upped-version of his Wild Storm ability from Smite. Sadly, not sure how to work his Dragon form transformation from his ultimate into a Koei game, since I feel it may take up a lot. However, there may be hopes due to an upcoming XboxOne version of Smite in the works. SneaselSawashiro (talk) 08:23, April 27, 2015 (UTC)

For those curious about my awful deviantart shit (lol of course it'd be awful in some way), here's the primer for my "Musou Warriors dream-game" (which takes a lot more cues from both the Hedgehog Engine, CC2, Kingdom Hearts and J-Stars Victory Vs.): http://sneaselsawashiro.deviantart.com/art/Variation-Force-RC-Primer-524568301 and the stupid fic I have planned for it which along with all my other projects I may take way too much scatterbrained time to finish: http://sneaselsawashiro.deviantart.com/gallery/46536763/Revolver-Chronicles-Afterland-Warriors SneaselSawashiro (talk) 08:29, April 27, 2015 (UTC)

Movesets
Can you please go back and remove all the instances where you added "Cx is the same as yy's attacks" in the moveset sections? The movesets themselves should just say what each function does since it is the legend for each character. Character comparisons and elaborations can come later in the fighting style section. Sake neko (talk) 04:06, April 29, 2015 (UTC)

Oh....oops. FML. :P Also, I gotta look at the recent activity page more or even at all to make better changes with people like you, so FML again. SneaselSawashiro (talk) 04:47, April 29, 2015 (UTC)

Re:Issues
Well, I can't really offer you much more advice than what has already been given without sounding like a broken record. As has been stated before, you should carefully read what is already there to see if your contribution will really add something new.

For instance, your additional commentary on Cao's Cao's symbolism merely restates what was already there on the page. It did not add any new insight. The basic idea that really needs to get across is the concept of the heavens are on Cao Cao's side and it is something commonly associated with him in various other portrayals, which was already clearly stated. What did your "leaning heaven" commentary add to this? It merely re-translated something which already had proper localization and restated yet again that Cao Cao had heaven's favor and added that on top of what was already there. You essentially repeated the same idea twice for no reason. Is there any particular reason this "leaning heaven" translation is so important?

Somewhat related to this I noticed you added to Cao's Cao's personality section that he was an anti-villain which does not make any sense. An anti-villain is someone who does evil deeds in the name of a greater good. To give Dynasty Warriors examples, characters like Fa Zheng or Jia Chong are closer to an anti-villain archetype.

Theses are just a couple things I notice but I'm not sure if this helps or not. I'm not sure really what it is you really need help with beyond the advice that has already been given. Kyosei (talk) 08:57, April 29, 2015 (UTC)

Well derp, that sounds very pointless of what I've been doing then. Period. And I personally blame TV Tropes for labelling him as an Anti-Villain. :P Well, you made a point about the heaven part, but I felt that his fourth weapon alone isn't enough to simply have him go "heaven's on my side". Then again, my wording is just pure trash, as I can never get my actual message across without others to properly interpret for me. So I guess it's impossible to avoid such a lose-lose situation on my part. SneaselSawashiro (talk) 09:14, April 29, 2015 (UTC)

AND WOW, I MISSED THE LATER SENTENCES ON JIANG WEI'S LV 11 WEAPON.....I AM SUCH A DUMBASS RIGHT NOW....NO WONDER IT SEEMS REPETITIVE......UGH I HATE MYSELF SO MUCH RIGHT NOW, PLEASE HAVE SAKE NEKO BITE MY ARM OFF. SneaselSawashiro (talk) 09:24, April 29, 2015 (UTC)


 * A long break from this place should work wonders for your self-esteem and help the other editors focus more on their work load. 24.205.191.53 23:27, April 29, 2015 (UTC)


 * Preference differences are in the making here, and you know what that means. Pointless wars over "what's right on an editable source". GGPO, what am I even doing with myself SneaselSawashiro (talk) 10:07, April 30, 2015 (UTC)

I'm not helping at all
I'm seriously getting frustrated over everything on this wiki. I'm letting a bit of my passionate self perhaps get the best of me, and yet despite my hardworking edits, I'm still getting bashed.

Of course, I'm doing something VERY wrong. The problem is I'm getting annoyed at what is even wrong in the first place...and yet too much shit flies over my head. I'm doing too much damage to this wiki because of my crap and my poor eyesight. I seriously doubt I've been doing anything good to this wiki at all because of my stupid crap to the character pages; some people say that names are taken from the Chinese ports, and yet no sources of Chinese port weapon names exist anywhere on the wiki itself. Some terms are to be pointed out like the Rindou naming on Zhao Yun's weapons, but that gets punched down into hell for some reason that I fail to grasp like a dumbass.

Then there's Cao Ren's symbolism. Either we only need one portion of the Fenghuang's mentioning on Pang Tong's page, or because the Peng reading is used on the fourth weapon in the Chinese ports (again, the Japanese port name of the fourth weapon uses the Feng and Huang readings; the Peng is on the third weapon). And yet I'm still making very bad edits that always need to be undone. From here I'm getting really annoyed with myself and questioning myself heavily.

I'm blind for some damn reason, I'm having everything I do become undone, and I'm just messing up a ton of stupid crap with no way on how to insightly fix it. You don't depend on a dumbass like me to learn (there's once again like I say, a reason why I'm also like this when I play League of Legends and when throw a game VERY HARD).

And no, my moveset contributions DO NOT COUNT TOWARDS THIS. Even though that sounds like I'm being very self-negative than one expects, I'm still finding moveset contributions to be the "easy way out" for what I'm actually contributing to. Just how have I even helped this damn wiki at all other than scramble it up further? SneaselSawashiro (talk) 19:26, August 15, 2015 (UTC)

Another break once more
Welp, of course, after a long talk with my sister. Of course I've been in this stupid-ass cycle of blowing up and hurting myself with a big burn mark whenever I gave a crap about something too much.

I will say this: I'm Chinese American. I sadly, grew up with more Japanese than Chinese when I started to watch a lot of anime. I only learned of Cantonese readings of Three Kingdoms characters from my father.

Of course....me being Chinese American, and the fact that some of you have pointed out Chinese translations? Looks like my mind is just a bid void when it comes to Chinese metaphors.

I am disagreeing too much with you people for things by being a big-dumb-loud-asshole despite some things I've changed; I doubt a normal apology would work because of this cause I should've known this kind of moment would come.

The damage is done, and the repairs will be costly.

Chinese translations compared to Japanese translations? I hereby show you my white flag cause I deserve a ban for being a stupid loudass ant.

Inconsistent readings between characters used for weapons? What am I to do here? Then would come the saying "we'd be willing to help you, but you're an unreasonable ass". Yes, I am an unreasonable ass.

So once again, a stupid break while most of you seem to do very SMALL things that I may or may not have a reason to feel a type of emotion towards. Cause I'm petty and dumb. Also, it's cause I even use tangorin way too much. :P

And yes I shit-talk myself 24/7 out of a bad habit. Part of it is to avoid arrogance (like hell that would help).

And then, SUDDENLY a compromise will occur! But once again due to my pessimistic mindset and my anime nostrils running out of steam to prevent myself looking like a Bull Demon King wannabe, I have heavy doubts this will happen soon let alone at all. A tempt fate way too much like Taishi Ci would, only I'm still alive to suffer. SneaselSawashiro (talk) 23:02, August 19, 2015 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry you feel that way, but there are other ways you could have contributed aside from those reading changes you insist on doing. All of us here know what it's like to be attached to our own work, and that's why you shouldn't take it personally when different editors erase or change it outright. That's how it is in every wiki-related site. To be honest, you're not all that bad compared to certain members who used to be active here. Even Sake and I had to learn a few things before we got the hang of editing. Also, you seem to depreciate yourself a lot when things don't go your way, though that kind of attitude makes it look like you're trying to fish for sympathy. So please, get over that and find another way to contribute. Humble Novice (talk) 23:18, August 19, 2015 (UTC)
 * Okay, so it looks like I'm still a bit insentitive.
 * One, the way we type to each other does not have as much conveyed feeling. So of course I'll come off as a dumbass who tries to fish sympathy like a wannabe Taigong Wang.....but once again, no point is possibly proven with that.
 * Two, I am still surprised you're putting up with me. I often expect a lot of anger towards me already, but then again it's also a very bad habit of mine to assume things a lot. So I actually have a ton of misjudgment issues; again, I shoot myself in the foot a lot. SneaselSawashiro (talk) 05:58, August 20, 2015 (UTC)