User talk:Yuki Z

Welcome
Hi, welcome to Dynasty Warriors Wiki! Thanks for your edit to the Mitsunari Ishida page.

Please leave a message on my talk page if I can help with anything! -- Kyosei (Talk) 12:47, September 23, 2009

hi
Your welcome.Since i'm new here i don't know how to do 1 thing, how do i upload pics?
 * It's quite simple. On the side bar to the left of your screen there is an "Add image" button. Click that and it will take you through the uploading process. Alternatively, you can also click here. If you only want to upload a better version of a currently existing image such as this picture of Yukimura, click on the image and scroll down towards the bottom where it says "Upload a new version of this file". Be sure to check the image categories to see if the image exists first if you're adding official art.


 * If you're adding an image to your user page or an article, be sure to use the thumb the thumb code.
 * thumb|Image caption


 * If you're adding an existing image to a gallery, be sure it goes in between the


 * I hope that answers your questions about images and possibly any other ones you might of have had. Happy editing! Kyosei 19:41, September 23, 2009 (UTC)
 * Hi again. I've looked through the images you've uploaded and am sad to say most of them are not needed. If the character's official render or artwork has already been uploaded, there's no real reason to upload another version as the point of them is to show what they look like in said game. I do not appreciate pic spams on this wiki.


 * Secondly, if you're adding historical information to a character's article be sure to place it near the bottom of the character's page underneath the Historical Information section. The Role in Games section emphasizes is what they do in the games only. What they do in the games does not match what they do historically and thus why they are separate sections.


 * That being said, do not feel discouraged and feel free to keep on adding whatever information that you feel is lacking. Happy editing ^^ Kyosei 20:01, September 23, 2009 (UTC)

thanks i'll try it out :)
 * I feel I must point out again that generally we upload whole images. We don't crop out images to show the character's face if we can accomplish the same thing by uploading the full image. Pages with images that only have face portraits are that way because that is how the original image was presented. If you want to add an image of one of their Samurai Warriors 2 renders that's fine, but if said image is already there or if you're just uploading cropped face portraits these will be deleted. Kyosei 20:55, October 11, 2009 (UTC)

Making new pages
When making a new article, please follow the suggestions made in the Style guide to keep the looks of the articles consistent. Properly categorize the page and use the infobox template. Thank you. Kyosei 20:42, November 3, 2009 (UTC)
 * Also in the future, when making historical sections for characters do not copy and paste from Samurai Archives. They clearly state their work is copyrighted and you are not allowed to copy and paste any of their words without permission. Kyosei 21:01, November 3, 2009 (UTC)
 * If you want to make pages, please focus more on actual characters who a) actually appear in multiple Koei titles and b) do something in them. While there are many historical figures here, this is first and foremost a gaming wiki not a historical wiki. We focus on characters who do things in the games. We don't and shouldn't focus on making pages for characters just because they are important historically. Kyosei 22:13, January 13, 2010 (UTC)

Why did you make a page for Yukitaka? He does practically nothing in the Warriors games since his activities are always replaced or shadowed by Masayuki or Yukimura. Also, Nobunaga's Ambition (or a similar historical simulation game/series) should be the last reason why a page should ever be made since it's a simulation series with an average 400+ characters who are just people you can recruit on the fly. Warriors has an average of 150 or so at best and a handful of them actually do something different or have personality. In conclusion: try to focus on NPCs who actually do something in the Warriors games or another artistic liberties game (Kessen or Dynasty Tactics) first. Sake neko 11:03, January 13, 2010 (UTC)

Hi
ok thanks but I made a Yukitaka page so I make all of the Sanada clan & by the way how do i make a photo in a warriors template?
 * That should be the very last objective for the wiki. I ask that you stop making pages because it looks like you really don't know anything for the people you're making them for. It looks you just want to make the pages just because you want to, which is fine I guess, but it doesn't excuse you from just making more. That's close to just mindless spamming. Go back and finished the ones you started. We've already had this happened before and that's why there are so many empty looking RotK NPCs. I don't want another mindless repeat.


 * As for putting pictures in the infoboxes, all you need is the file name and the extension. So let's say it's a jpg. All you would need is "filename.jpg" where it says "image=". Sake neko 11:17, January 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * Ah, thanks. Glad to be of use. :)


 * I think you're asking if Odawara Castle is mentioned in any of the Kessen games and I don't recall it being in there. It could be a passing mention or a bonus stage at best, but it's definitely not a stage since that would shift the focus on Shingen or Kenshin rather than the protagonists for the games set in Japan. Hideyoshi doesn't kill Mitsuhide at Yamazaki in Kessen III so you can also rule out him being a conqueror as well.


 * I'm not really sure what to think of the Samurai Games wiki at the moment. I think I'm a bit offended that it mostly copied information from Koei wiki or Wikipedia. The opening paragraphs doesn't fit the theme of the wiki and makes it seem like you really favor Koei over everything else. I would remove the first appearance note as well since that is also Koei related and inaccurate for the Samurai Games wiki (Kessen was hardly the "first appearance" for Fukushima). Putting a two or three sentence summary for the character's accomplishments might be better than listing their first appearance. A category system of some sort would help too, since it's a bit hard to navigate without it. Indenting or putting paragraphs makes the longer sections easier to read as well.


 * Right now, decide the focal time zone for the Samurai Games wiki. It only says "Samurai" but they've been around for centuries. Are you going to include the Genji-Heike riots, the Heian Period, the Kamakura Period, the Muromachi period, the entire Warring States period, the Tokugawa shogunate's reign after Ieyasu's death, and the Bakumatsu period as well? They are all technically samurai and their existence goes far beyond the current focus of Samurai Warriors. Why include Warriors Orochi when over half the cast is from a different time era?


 * Tie in the character pages with their historical sections too. Why put a wikipedia link for Akechi Hidemitsu in Nobunaga's historical section when you could link Samenosuke? They're the same guy. Why include Jacque if he's a non-Samurai related character (although he does become one in his own right)? Why limit to the single Devil Kings release when there's the rest of the Basara titles in Japan? In fact, the sections for anything not Koei related is surprisingly slim. I thought most people knew the stories for Onimusha and Sengoku Basara by now.


 * I know that it's brand new and everything, but it would be nice to increase the spectrum of games covered too. Like by adding other Samurai-related franchises that were issued internationally like the Takeda series, Way of the Samurai, Red Ninja, Yakuza series (though mainly the second one), Brave Fencer Musashi, Vasara, Legend of the Five Rings, Magic the Gathering, and others. Even Sengoku Rance has a few international fans that I'm sure someone would be wiling to write for it.


 * I'm also worried about the highly romanticized characters like Yagyu Jubei and Hattori Hanzo. Would you include all of them -minor appearances included- or just when there's only one of them playing a prominent part? I mean there are two Hanzos in the Samurai Shodown series so that is why I ask. Sake neko 22:03, January 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, move the Samurai Shodown page to its "proper spelling" for starters. The "Showdown" is misspelled on purpose and is a retro example of Engrish the series is known for. And check your facts too. Yoshitora wasn't in the first game, he was in the fifth title (or the "zero" prologue title). He also has seven swords, not one. You can see more stuff about that series and its characters at SNK wiki.


 * I'm going to say this again. Decide on a definite timeline in Japan for your wiki's focus so it'll be easier to write for. You're going all over the place. You have the aforementioned Samurai Shodown series, which first takes place in 1786. Then you have Samurai Warriors, Sengoku Basara, Nobunaga's Ambition and Onimusha, which are roughly 1525~1615. Then you included characters from the Genpei era, which are currently centered on the years 1110~1189. Way of the Samurai is all over the place and Warriors Orochi has its own timeline. Right now, the current state of Samurai Games wiki represents characters from huge gaps in history and it's hard to follow because of it.


 * If you're going to mention all of these games, then say more about the characters you're making pages for. Add voice actors for the characters who are in Sengoku Basara and Onimusha. If I'm an average joe coming to Samurai Games wiki for the first time, I want to see everything the wiki can offer, so tell me more about their non-Koei counterparts. There are plenty of differences between Sengoku Basara Yukimura and Samurai Warriors Yukimura to warrant more than the three sentences written for him. Samurai Shodown Hanzo is very different than the Samurai Warriors Hanzo. Mention Katsuyori and Shingen's involvement in Red Ninja. Include all different types of weapons from their respective games in the infobox. In other words, say more about how each game/series represents a different shade of the same figure.


 * Do you know how to make categories for characters or games? That'll help a lot too. Also, please do not be offended when I ask this, but is English your native language? If it's not, then why not make the wiki in your first language instead? It might attract other people to help edit your wiki.


 * How can you be running out of ideas? Your wiki has just started! :D You just need to keep working at what you have now and figure out how exactly your wiki should be. At the moment, it's filled with a lot of uncertainty. But keep adding more to it and it can proudly stand on it's two feet. Keep working at it. :) Sake neko 22:10, February 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * Aside from anime filler, there's nothing really samurai related in Naruto so I don't advise adding it. If you're still intent on expanding the focal timezone of the wiki, then you could include Shinsengumi or 47 ronin related games. Sake neko 23:46, February 3, 2010 (UTC)


 * Why Hokuto no Ken? There's like maybe one vaguely samurai-like character in the entire series and he gets exploded by Kenshiro almost as soon as he's introduced. Plus, Hokuto no Ken's more like a kung-fu post apocalyptic story rather than an archaic samurai epic. So no. It wouldn't be a good idea to add Hokuto Musou. Sake neko 17:00, February 9, 2010 (UTC)


 * Why sure I do. I list them here. I'm just not sure how many of these titles have actually been localized outside of Japan. There's even more titles that haven't listed yet too, like the board game ones in Japan (Sekigahara, Anegawa, and those type of battle simulations), and I'm pretty sure Magic the Gathering might have a few shining gems in one of their deck expansions. If want another gender-bender title for characters like Sengoku Rance, I suggest looking at Sengokuhime or Sengoku Otome. Hope this helps you out a bit. :) Sake neko 17:10, February 9, 2010 (UTC)


 * Sure, I'll check up on it every now and then. I'm kinda juggling editing here and at SNK wiki so I'm afraid I can't really help edit much. But know that I'm cheering for your wiki to do well too! :) Maybe when more things are done here at Koei wiki; there's just so many unfinished pages. Until then, why not spread the news of your wiki by telling the people at Koei Warriors or other Samurai forums to help you out? I'm sure there might be a few that can support you out. Sake neko 17:32, February 9, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks
OK thanks for the help
 * Please stop copying and pasting historical sections from wikipedia. They are not always accurate and don't always fit the needs for the people they are written for. Sake neko 15:37, February 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * I think you're referring to the Empires expansion where you can change the character's moveset. It'd probably be better to put that information on the Edit Character page since that way, we can just link all of the movesets there. Sake neko 15:54, February 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, okay. If you want to put up images of the "generic versions" of Katsuie and Kojiro, I guess you can. If it's the same as what's already there on their pages, then don't because it's redundant. If you want to put up Ii or another generic with their weapons, then no. It isn't really true to how they usually are in the games. Sake neko 16:12, February 6, 2010 (UTC)

Yoshiaki has a passing mention in Samurai Warriors 3 and he plays an active role in Kessen III. Yes, he does need a page, but why did you make him when you don't know anything about him? Sake neko 18:39, February 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * That's making the page. Writing anything for a red link article means that you're creating it into an actual article. It's under your name too in the recent changes. Sake neko 18:44, February 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Um... so why did you make his page? It doesn't really make sense. Sake neko 18:47, February 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Just knowing someone historically doesn't mean you should just write something for them on the fly. This is still a gaming wiki and you need to be more conscious of that fact. If you don't know what they do in the games, then don't write anything for them. Just mentioning Nobunaga's Ambition is a shallow reason to make his page in the first place.


 * That's why we have many fill-in-the-blank Three Kingdoms people on this wiki. A random user probably shared the same thoughts you had and just assumed that each person in history did something in the games. But since they didn't know, they just left it all blank. History plays a part, yes, but it's not the final factor here. It's the games. Sake neko 19:00, February 10, 2010 (UTC)