Koei Tecmo Wiki:Community Portal

This is a page where you can talk to the Dynasty Warriors Wiki community, kind of like a forum. Here you should discuss ways to improve the wiki so that everyone can be involved and can input their ideas.

Expanding the Articles
Hey guys,it's GreatPanda.Just joined out of the love I have It'd be Super Special Awesome if some of the character and video game articles could be expanded on.Some articles the Wiki has no need for in my opinion,like DW4: XL.The meat of the Dynasty Warriors 6 article is the character roster,while the DW6: Special is bone bare.Perhaps we could merge articles,i.e main games and expansions.It decreases the amount of articles,but the quality increases.

Logo
The logo is getting a bit expired. I propose a logo submission of sorts?  W h o p p e r  23:30, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Expanding scope
This is a summary of the discussion that began on User talk:Whopper. Please make any corrections/updates to the summary as necessary. -PanSola 08:29, 7 February 2008 (UTC)


 * All participants of the discussion feel expanding the wiki beyond just Dynasty Warriors is a good idea.
 * Proposal 1: expand to cover all "Warriors" (Musou) franchise by KOEI
 * Concerns: "KOEI Warriors", the most natural name, is used by a prominent fansite and we don't want to be rude.

hey ppl im new and i luv dynasty warriors especially 5 its awesum to bad about the changes to the characters in 6 though so if ny1 wants 2 talk just message me :P
 * Can use other names
 * Proposal 2: expand to cover all games by KOEI
 * Concerns: a lot of KOEI games are not Sangoku (3 Kingdoms era in China, eg Dynasty Warriors) / Sengoku (Warring States era in Japan, eg Samurai Warriors) related, and many are quite dull
 * This particular editor group can simply focus on the subset of KOEI games that interest them (Warriors, ROTK, NA), and allowing the room for other KOEI games to be added by other KOEI fans.


 * Download GimpShop. Its pretty much the same layout and features, and it is free and legal! :P lu-xun 19:34, 15 March 2008 (UTC)


 * User:Whopper, User:Luxun, User:MySoundtrackArmy, User:Dabigbozz42, Aeonlord92 are fine with proposal 1
 * User:Whopper and User:Luxun are fine with proposal 2, while User:Dabigbozz42 strongly supports proposal 2.

Further discussion/Ideas
Re-pasting the conceptual art for the logo:



Once expanded, individual series' should have their own portal page, with all portals prominently linked to from the main page. There should also be prominent indication on the Main Page for games not belonging to any series, so any visitors interested in those games will feel appreciated and more likely contribute. -PanSola 08:36, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

I found (with the help of Angela) some unicodes that aren't perfect, but come kinda close to what I want (as far as text characters go). Testing:
 * 1) KOຕIki
 * 2) KOﻉIki

(the unicode for 1 actually doesn't show up for me...) -PanSola 11:34, 9 February 2008 (UTC)


 * That looks good. I think whith a but of GFX it could work :D --Luxun
 * Do you think "KOﻉIki" can be used for the Project namespace as well as Sitename (as in will it look ok)? If so, I'd also like to update the text in the titlebar to be " - KOﻉIki - the KOEI Wiki from Wikia".  BTW, samuraiwarriors.wikia and warriorsorochi.wikia should be pointing here as soon as the DNS cache gets updated. -PanSola 12:49, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Ofcourse, like I said it just needs nlarged and photoshopped a bit :D I can do a few very simple images but Im no expert... User:Luxun
 * User:Acid Rain has offered to make logos, and not to insult either of yalls skills, but if he knows how to do it, maybe we should get him to design it. Dabigbozz42 02:19, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
 * As for the text, KOﻉIki is good, or a simple koeiwiki, either works Dabigbozz42 02:21, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure why Luxun is talking about images ("nlarged and photoshopped") when I asked a question/opinion purely about text stuff (project namespace and sitename are pure text, no images involved)... And I never implied anything about wanting to do the logo myself... o_O"""  I'm just re-posting the concept design above because I'm trying to summarize everything here. -PanSola 13:38, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh I thought you meant using it for like a banner or something...


 * I rustled up this but as I said before Im definately no expert at graphics and its extremely basic...--Luxun

MysoundtrackArmy says: I think the logo above is fine, I quite like it. Also, if we are so choosing to make it a "Koeiki" then, perhaps we should begin on the other segments. I think we should at least add Warriors Orochi to the list of Dynasty Warriors games since in all actuallity it is Dynasty.

Sorry to say this but that image looks really bad. I made it very quickly so I can make better others if you want. 21:57, 9 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, if we're using this style of logo with characters, we need some SW, WO, and Bladestorm on it perhaps? Dabigbozz42 22:49, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

I LOVE THAT NEW ONE! I will say. I agree with Dabigbozz42. We need other Koei games if we are going to be a true "Koeiki". A sugguestion, use 1 easily identified character from each of the Warriors and maybe some from Bladestorm and Gitaroo Man as well? -MySoundtrackArmy


 * Ok. Hope this is ok.

19:41, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Wow. Each time it gets better. You must really be good at Photoshop. I'm going to be starting on the Samurai Warriors sections since well... we ARE going to change, right? >_< Keep me posted if possible. Thank you for taking my info. ^_^  -MySoundtrackArmy

I am beginning on the Samurai Warriors section of the Koeiki and any information to be used is very welcome. ^_^ Thank you! -MySoundtrackArmy
 * Hey I said I was a noob at photoshop :P And I cant crop for the life of me :P lu-xun 19:28, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Well, while we've got all this creative energy flowing, could someone perhaps make some portal logos? also, unless we plan on switching the default wiki format to the gaming template, the logos need to be more square. but keep the creativity flowing, i would contribute as i am decent with photoshop, yet I only have paint :( Dabigbozz42 22:29, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

just tell me what game portals u want to includ so that i'll make the logos. i think i should make em as wide as the article width 04:35, 15 March 2008 (UTC)


 * for portals, we can just have the big franchises for now.

and your right about portal logo size, the page width would look nice, but for the general logo, our current wikipedia style layout works better with a square logo. Dabigbozz42 13:09, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Dynasty Warriors
 * Samurai Warriors
 * Dynasty Warriors: Gundam
 * Warriors Orochi
 * Romance of the 3 Kingdoms
 * Nobunaga's Ambition

? i think the default skin for everyone is monaco, so the the wiki wide logo would be better. anyway, i can make both so that eveything is ok. i'll make the other portal logos as soon as i can. 19:45, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

So...
I'm a new user (not new to wikis though (see this page) and I was wondering how things were progressing on the merging of the wikis? Is is still going ahead? Aeonlord92

So, I know I haven't been on in a long time but... I agree with Aeonlord92. Are we still going to merge the wikis and make the Koeiki? I'll continue to add things as I can. Anyone else still working on this? o_O

I'm still here, I just can't edit & do the weapon tables I'm doing ATM because my computer's bust so my Wii is my only way here. And from a wii I can't upload images or make excessively large edits. I should be back soon though. Aeonlord92

Despite my best hopes to have a free summer, summer school has limited that freedom and now I'm going on vacation in a few days, and have lost some current intrest in the games, but I'll try to help out at least a bit in the last few days I have. As for the merger, all the other wikis already point here, so we're cleared for everything else, the only thing undecided on was the name and banner. All respect to Whopper, but hes not on much at all, so I've found its best to just blaze along and not worry about authorization and if there are problems, cooperation can work them out. Dabigbozz42 02:12, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry about the long absense, but I should be somewhat semi-active, however there are no promises I can be fully active as I work rather long hours. I just fully completed Dynasty Warriors 6, got all characters, all weaponry, and will update some of the staging pages. Anyways apologies for my absense. Whopper user talk 16:41, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Adminship
I asked about this on Wikia central & told to ask about this here.

Recently, in the past 2 months, the regular editors have become less main & the only active Admin is Whopper & even he isn't very active. This isn't your fault or a fault, heck there are many reasons why you may be unable to edit or actively contribute.

Anyway, with the lack of admins many things cannot be done, such as deletions & vandal fighting, things neccessary for maintaing a good wiki. Also, with the lack of regular editors this wiki is hard to build up & improve.

Basically, I'm suggesting that more Admins are needed &, though it may seem rude, I suggest myself, but before you say "What a demanding, arrogant, self-centered, bastard" hear me out first.

I reverted (with time & slavery) a vandal attack on June 23rd, I have added many things in my time on this wiki - images, article expansions, Categorizing & templates that can help the wiki - and I'm not going anywhere, I have loads of free time & can easily & actively contribute & maintain the wiki.

However, I know there are more longer serving editors - Dabigbozz & luxun among others - who also deserve it & I don't deny you should. Basically, an active Admin is needed to fight against vandals and to help maintain areas of the wiki that a normal editor cannot do.

So what do people think of admining the active & long serving editors: Dabigbozz, luxun & Myself, Dabigbozz & luxun for their long time dedication & Myself for my activeness & desire to maintain & build up this wiki?

What do you say, for the sake of the wiki?

Once a decision has been made, or 1-2 weeks have passed, I shall report back to wikia. --Aeonlord92


 * It seems like you're selling me and Luxuns dedication a bit short don't you think? :)


 * I had noticed this would be a problem when I started editing here all by myself and noticed that whopper is not able to be on enough to fully maintain this place. I didn't say anything for the reasons you've stated: I did not want to look like a demanding, arrogant, self-centered, bastard, but you've gone and taken the fall for me Aeon so thats all good :)


 * I can't speak for Luxun in any of this; he can get his two-bits in if he shows back up. I think you and I would both agree that the duties of an admin are akin to a janitor, and since we only have specific problems, either of us could probably do the job just as well, and admin shouldn't be some big important title, so I'm not going to try to sell myself, just address some concerns that I would have if I were Whopper. Recently circumstances keep preventing me from being as frequent so now I'm taking kind of a back seat to Aeon which is fine, it can be like a little vacation with him doing all the good work, but I'm trying to be more active (how many times have I said it now?) and having the duty would give me a purpose to get on when I do have time and am prioritizng different.


 * Also, I'm weak at writing impromptu, which is most of my actual wiki writing; I'm better at the other end of the scale, with category organization, templates, infoboxes, lists, facts, and the like. While I don't know what Aeon considers his strengths, he seems to be skilled in the same areas as well, plus he is much more experienced; my background is a short and shameful stint on wikipedia which caused me to come searching for a budding wikia that I could aid.


 * So, It comes down to whoever whopper thinks can be an active maintainer or just his personal preference. It might seem hypocritical to write so much about something that I have stated is not a big deal, but I thought I should lay things out. Whoever

is admin, us active users need to communicate and collaborate rather than going through cumbersome bureaucracy. Dabigbozz42 13:20, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry if it seemed I was selling your dedication short.


 * So your view is that another Admin/s is needed to help with Maintainance? That's 2-0 in favour of another Admin/s.


 * My Strengths I would say is actually writing articles and making them a better structure. I'm good at organising things and tidying things up. Templates is an issue for me as I'm not an expert on coding. So yeah, my stregths are articles and tidying.


 * The question is 'What now?', I mean neither of us have any idea when Whopper or anybody else's next visit will be so we could be left with this issue for months. So should I go and see on wikia what should be done? Or do you think we should wait a bit longer? --Aeonlord92


 * I know you weren't selling dedication short, just your wording was a bit funny so my sarcastic side had to make a snide comment :)


 * It seems that we share tidying and organizational skills, so my point about us both being qualified seems to stand. I have some bizarre probably partial OCD quality, where I actually get a rush from doing menial organization and maintenance, both digitally and in the real world, so I find that's where I drift towards.


 * I'll try to see if he ever gets on IRC, but maybe in the meantime, you should see if wikia has some standards for temporary admins that we could use to pick someone until we make contact with whopper. Dabigbozz42 13:54, 18 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I don't think there is the ability to make temperorary Admins... But I'll ask on Wikia for what they think we should do next. Oh, and I made a new sig.--Aeon lord92


 * Alright I seen my name quite alot in that and I am truly honoured :P But really I don't think I deserve adminship. I mean I vanished twice, and although I have contributed alot I have also neglected the wiki. I really like DW but sometimes it just sort of drifts away and I lose interest. I always regain my interest (hence I return) but I have to admit making me an admin is a risk. Although if I stick around long enough I might feel better about the situation. If it helps my strengths include organizing and tidying up. And I love making new articles :P Coding however is not my thing :P And I have some admin experience at forums. And although wikis are entirely different it still counts for somthing :P Not to repeat myself but I don't really think that adminship of this wiki is for me quite yet :)- lu-xun 20:57, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Other Dynasty Warriors Wiki
While searching for some info, I stumbled across a neoseeker wiki on Dynasty Warriors here. They seem to be more focused on faq type info, item locations and the like, but maybe we can collaborate on something., anyway just thought it was worthy of note Dabigbozz42 21:28, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I dunno. They're not the official wiki on Dynasty Warriors stuff, just a gamesite one that they made. There's no reason we can't work on FAQ type stuff also (heck we've got DW4 walkthroughs), as long as it's ours & not stolen ;)


 * I'm just gonna keep working for now on here getting alll our articles neat and tidy. --Aeon lord92

Time Away
Sorry I have not been on as much as I would like to. I do feel that with summer coming to a close and all that I may be able to get a good grip on getting some things in while I can. I am going to be having internet off and on for a little while so I do not expect much. I shall be editing when I can and hoping for the betterment of the Wiki. Though, I do agree there should be at least one "full time" admin. I was thinking this back in about June. ^_^ Anyhow, Once again, I am sorry for my absences even though I'm not a "regular" on here. - MySoundtrackArmy
 * Welcome back. Dabigbozz and I are now Admins & thus can maintain the wiki quite well - at least until/if Whopper returns. --Aeon lord92 08:00, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

That is indeed wonderful to hear! As I said, I shall edit when I can. And I think I might have missed this memo but... there's an IRC channel?

I'm going away
I'm going on Holiday from the 12th to the 19th so I'll be in-active during this time. -- Aeonlord92

A MySpace?
I don't know why exactly but... I was thinking of making us a MySpace. I remember there was talk of using YouTube earlier in the year... I'm sure there's more Koei Warriors fans than just us here. I know there are. I was just thinking that a site on all the major social networking sites might be a good thing. That way we can get more people on here and we can also get information from people that aren't here as well. And it might be little easier for everyone to communicate than just using this. Like I said... it was a random thought. But still... what do you people think? -MySoundtrackArmy 12:01, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Um... since on one got back to me on that... I'll just make one and see what you guys think... >,< -208.54.14.31 07:31, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

I'm back now! Sorry, it's taken me a while to get back and sort everything out - I was quite busy since I got back. Anyway, sounds like a good idea to do a myspace - it should hopefully attract people. Go ahead and do it --Aeon lord92 09:56, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

It's good to see someone back. ^_^ Anyhow, I'm currently working on it. I need to make it sparkle though. If anyone can get a good background to use then I'm game. ^_^ I believe I put the URL as www.myspace.com/koeiwarrirswiki. Right now I know it isn't much but I only made it a couple days ago and I have school now so... I'll hopefully have it "open" around next week or so. ^_^ -MySoundtrackArmy 02:45, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

First, just in case someone uses that link and can't find out why it dosent work (hopefully people are smarter than that but whatever) there is an o in warriors so the actual link is www.myspace.com/koeiwarriorswiki. no fault on your part soundtrack, im just preparing for people who wonder why the link don't work.

A myspace is good for getting people together, and a youtube would be nice to, although im not so sure what would go on it...

But to answer your question about other fans out there, one of the largest and better communities is KoeiWarriors, and they also have a myspace, so im thinking rather than try to compete with them, we should see if we could affiliate and maybe see if some members are interested in helping out here. I also get the feeling we're going to be getting a lot of material from Koei Warriors anyway, so we should be sure to source stuff.

But apart from KoeiWarriors, we can also try to affiliate with smaller sites as well, and ive tried some techniques that are supposed to help traffic, but really what we need are contributors, and we can find contributors in the ranks of the serious fans, who are already with these communities.

Anyway, I know quite a bit of html and how to work with the myspace editors, so I can help in anyway you want.

And I see what I did wrong with the gallerys, thanks Aeon, I'll be sure to fix them if i see them or make more. Dabigbozz42 14:16, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

That sounds good. I'm sure someone here can smooth talk them (KoeiWarriors) into affiliation. ^_^ I know I haven't been able to get much done on the MySpace. I just can't find the time with my slow internet connection... T-T DaBigBozz, I'll IM you the logon info for the MySpace through an IM on AIM or Yahoo. I'm SickOfTheWorldXD on AIM or iamsadlynotthemovie on Yahoo!. ^_^ -{User:MySoundTrackArmy|MySoundtrackArmy]

Growth
I must comment on how much this wikia has grown since I first started on as a anonymous user. It has doubled, and grows faster all the time. I'm expecting 300 pages by the end of the week. Soon we'll hit 500 and be reconized; good work everybody. Well I'm very happy.Moogle Buddy 20:28, 19 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Remember though, article numbers mean nothing if the quality of them is poor, not that I'm trying to get your spirits down of course.--Aeonlord92


 * Well that's gone up too, when I first came here the character articles had the in game biography and movelist, that's it. I believe Lu Bu was the only good one, the featured article for at least a year. Then again there are a few empty article around that, I should look at them.Moogle Buddy 13:33, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

New skin
Hi!

Several months ago, Wikia released a new site skin called Monaco. The new skin features tools which make it much easier for visitors to find content and edit it. You can read all about Monaco here. As you can read on that page, while you will still be able to select Monobook (this wiki's current default skin) as the skin you personally use to view the site (via Special:Preferences), we are no longer able to support Monobook as a default skin for anonymous visitors. So, we need to change the default skin to Monaco.

There are a number of pre-built themes for Monaco. Check out how the homepage looks in Sapphire, Jade, Slate, Smoke, Beach, and Brick, and let me know which one you like best. In addition to those pre-built themes, you can build your own custom themes as well. Check out the custom themes on the Shaiya Wiki and the Diablo Wiki. You can learn about customizing the theme, menus and other aspects of Monaco here.

Take a look at that information, and let me know which theme you think might work best. We need to change the skin by Friday, October 31st, so I am here to make that transition as easy as possible. Let me know if you have any questions, or if I can help in any way.

Thanks! --KyleH (talk) 23:22, 28 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I remember this situation on the FFWiki... Anyways, I personally like either Slate or Sapphire best, for now I've set Sapphire as the defualt skin, just-in-case no users reply to this before October 31st. However, once a verdict has been reached I'll change it to what we decide on.


 * Another thing, if we decide that none of the default skins are appropriate I can always make us a custom skin.--Aeonlord92


 * Great! If you need any help with a custom skin, let me know and I'll see what I can do. :) --KyleH (talk) 17:25, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Customising the wiki (Applies to Monobook skin users only)
As the wiki has grown I would like to request that we improve its appearance.

Okay, to the point, what I would someone to make us is a banner that can go across the top of the page. For an example see here for an example of what I mean (notice the blue crystals in the background?)

So if someone could make us something like that (approximate dimensions of the iamge should be 838px × 137px) it would be really helpful and would improve the look of the site.--Aeon lord92 16:52, 12 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Just adding on, I'm also looking for someone who could make a 88x31 px box with the site name and some imagery or whatnot, for affiliation purposes Dabigbozz42 15:42, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, I'll try to do that as we still have to submit that button to koeiwarriors.co.uk - almost forgot about that aspect. I will also make a few mock-banners that are meant for suggestions. :) Whopper user talk 21:47, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Anyone alive?
Is anyone still alive? It seems Me and Dabigbozz are the really only ones here for the last month. It seems kind of lonely here. Meh, probably going to get yelled at, but It'd kinda be nice to see a face here, any face. Moogle Buddy 23:38, 4 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm alive! :D Just lurking. - lu-xun 16:49, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Hey everyone Im The Great Sage (please excuse the pompous username ^_^) But I just signed up because I feel that this wiki like others can be used as a resource to other DW fans, and I feel that the site could use some updates, so I signed up to help contribute to the site! (also I know how to use photoshop, plus I got a friend who can do it as well.) 2/4/09

Banners
Are we still working on banners? I have gotten alot better and I could try a few things if you guys are still up for it - lu-xun 16:58, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Help!
We have an idiot infestion at the moment. People keep changing articles(with profanity and such garbag) who are anonomous, and creating new page made of profanity and such. I can deal with most of the editted pages, but I can't delete the new articles. Admin help would really be nice. Moogle Buddy 18:06, 4 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I need some help deleting some articles as well. GreatPanda


 * Time is finally freeing up to let me get back, hopefully I will be able to do some good contributions on wednesday at the earliest, but in the meantime if you use the "report problem" button at the bottom of an article, it will get listed and one of us if we get on can delete it, and if theres a repeat vandal ip, send that over. Hope to be back soon. Also, nice work your doing on kunoichi, moogle. Dabigbozz42 03:54, 10 February 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm also sorry for not being to come online very much (hard enough getting time to write even this).


 * If you put on the page you wish to delete it wil be put in a category for articles, etc, that are due for deletion and when an admin gets on they can do the appropriate action. As for vandals just send an admin a messsage on thier user talk page about who it is and what they are doing and again one of us will sort it.


 * Once again I apologise for my lack of activity but life is so hecktic at the moment.--Aeonlord92

Saihai no Yukue
In other words, the recent DS adventure game that Koei released in Japan. It's based on Sekigahara so Mitsunari and Ieyasu's men are in there. My question is simple: yeah or nay? I'm only wondering because its an unpopular genre for localization efforts so it may not come over here. Sake neko 01:25, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Article Organization, Rude IPs, and Other Things
First ff, about the Rude IPs - The IP, [76.246.190.142‎], has fully deleted Gao Shun's article. First, he/she had deleted everything, and added a -WHAT?. But after that, he/she had the nerve to fully delete everything altogether. There was another IP that effectively called Zhang He and Kojiro Sasaki "gay", but, that's nothing to worry about[and I changed the quote, anyways]. Just youthful confusion. I think we should discuss the organization of articles. The Style page ells what to include, but not how to format it. The format that Moogle Buddy ingeniously made, and I use is:

,while some older articles as well as Sake neko's format consist of:
 * 1 Historical Information
 * (2 Romance of the Three Kingdoms)
 * 3 Characteristics
 * 4 Gameplay
 * 5 Weapon Guide
 * 6 Role in Games
 * 7 Gallery
 * 1 Role in Plot
 * 2 Character Information
 * 3 Quotes
 * 4 Gameplay
 * 5 Weapons
 * 6 Historical Information
 * 7 Gallery

Yeah, personally I would like to see the Historical Information on the top, and lists, such as Quotes and the Gallery at the bottom. But that's just my opinion. What are yours?

Also, while I use the term "Characteristics", some other articles use the term "Character Information". Personally, I think the latter term is too broad, as "Character Information" could have such things in it, such as historical information, weapon information, RotK information, and the like. I just wanted to know what you guys thought, which term should we/the articles use? GreatPanda 20:59, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I also think the style guide needs more work to it. Moving Development underneath gameplay breaks the flow of the article when the developers are talking about the character specifically. I personally think the characteristics/character info is meant to talk more about the character themselves, not necessarily about their fighting style and weapons. Like how Zhen Ji was originally a classy woman but became more sassy in her later English appearances.


 * I'm actually not quite sold on including every aspect of the gameplay and weapon info on the same page. Especially for the Dynasty Warriors characters who have been in more games. They change and get tweaked so often that it seems a bit too much to include every minute detail on the same page. I'd rather that it be a general description on the character's article and then a link to a longer and more detailed article. Something like:


 * Fighting Style
 * See Also: Lu Bu's Fighting Style  <- this will go more depth with tweaks and changes in all of his game appearances.
 * Lu Bu often has the most powerful stats in the Dynasty Warriors series. His attacks are quick, powerful, and have an overall good coverage of the field. He is easy to use for both newcomers and veteran players, whether he is on foot or mounted on a horse... ect.


 * While fighting against a CPU Lu Bu... ect.


 * Weapons
 * See Also: Lu Bu's Weapons  <- this will include other weapons, strategies for rare ones, and other characteristics about their weapons like recommended stats in Warriors Orochi or others.
 * (Include a chart from the most recent game; DW6 should be in here even if it only has three weapon types)


 * That's what I suggest for the characters who have been in more than two games at least. It'll be easier to read. I think it's important to establish Koei's interpretations for the characters before going in depth with what they actually did in history. It'll be easier for new fans to get an idea of who they're reading about. Basically, I would rather make the article organization more like:


 * Role in Games <- try to include all majorly different scenarios + dream stages
 * Character Info
 * Development
 * All costumes/Alternate Appearances <- though I really think this can be removed if someone can get a picture of these for the gallery section
 * Personality/Character Interactions <- what makes them stand out from others in the game. ie: Ma Chao's all about justice and killing Cao Cao in most of his appearances.
 * Voice Actors
 * Quotes
 * Gameplay
 * Fighting Style
 * Weapons
 * Movelist/Story Mode <- a bit iffy on this though
 * Historical Info
 * Three Kingdoms Novel
 * Gallery
 * Other info (ie: trivia)


 * Anyways, I haven't been here that long so I can't really say much more than this. Sake neko 01:17, 27 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Of course we shouldn't include every aspect of a character's gameplay, just focus on the more recent game that have depth to it, like Warriors Orochi, or Samurai Warriors 2/Dynasty Warriors 5. Though we also shouldn't be limited to including the older games' style as well, since this is a Wiki. In my opinion, a Wiki should scope through almost every nook and cranny of a subject, going in-depth and in your face. Not to put down anyone, but I don't think we should need a separate page for one character's Weapons in the series, or Fighting Style. The two latters could be included in "Character Info"/"Characteristics". The articles would be too small, unless we had great analysts, who would give a good two paragraphs or so of just one incarnation of a weapon. It'd be more acceptable to me if we could actually have someone dedicate their time to just do that.Also, for some reason, I really don't like having Historical Information or RotK information at the bottom, it just makes those two seem so insignificant to a character. GreatPanda 21:25, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't think the historical info and novel info being on the bottom undermines their importance really. I think it's more to avoid confusion with what changes Koei did more than anything else. Sake neko 22:34, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

the format-->Thanks! Moogle Buddy 03:06, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
 * One question I myself have is how indepth do we want to go in gameplay. I put suggestions sometimes if I am extremely well versed in a character but always if I do that put a disclaimer of sorts of this is just a suggestion. Do we we want to add a walkthrough like synopsis of character gameplay? Or just moveset overview. Just my question to all this, and GreatPanda you really do give to much credit for


 * Well, basically the term 'suggestion' should automatically tell a reader that it's recommended from an "expert", not required. Therefore, I don't really think there needs to be a disclaimer. Now, for how much we want to get indepth of a character's gameplay. I'm not in any superior rank or anything, but what I'd like to go for is just a good-sized moveset overview, with weapon suggestions and whatnot. We could analyze most undefined attacks for a character, match it's uses and group it with similar-utilization techniques, what the attack could be strengthened by, a character's weaknesses and strengths, etc. GreatPanda 03:42, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, I guess I kinda brought this upon myself by just springing the style guide on you without any warning or your input - I'm sorry for that. I made the style guide so that the wiki has consistency and not random articles that are all different, however, I know it needs finishing and I will expand it's detail so that it is clearer.


 * I agree with GreatPanda, I don't think there should be sub-pages for weapons, moves, etc - they wouldn't be any way near long enough to qualify as a decent wiki page and it would reduce the ammonut of info on a character page. I also agree that having/mentioning older game movelists (DW3, DW4, etc) is kind of pontiless and redundant. I also agree that Character info should cover thier persoality, this is something I missed out for some reason. However, I disgaree on the historical info, the main reason why is that this is a wiki about the 'Warriors' games and as such the articles should refelct this aspect of the characters - thier game aspect. Their historical aspect should be mentioned for obvious reasons but the articles are about the characters from the games - not from the ROTK.


 * I've stated my opniion now, when a clear decision has been reached i will follow up accordingly.--Aeon lord92 09:06, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually, I have a question regarding the historical section. Would it be too out of place to include actual paintings, photos of statues -or what have you- in the section? Would we have to find a GNU for them too if we do include them? Koei's interpretations takes liberties anyways (for obvious reasons).Sake neko 18:48, 28 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Yeah, including actual portrayals and such would be useful for those that haven't been made unique yet, like Yan Liang, Liu Chan or the like. There isn't really any Warriors image of them, so would it be fine if we used what Sake neko had said? GreatPanda 00:47, 1 March 2009 (UTC)


 * I have no problems with that, just not too many. I'd say about 2 images about this maximum just so the generics can have some pics. By all means get a couple for the main characters as well as it will brighten up thier pages.--Aeonlord92

Strikeforce versions
Should their new forms go on the character articles or should it just stick with the game article in a gallery section of some sort? I was also wondering if it would be noteworthy to mention Red Cliff here too since Koei's somewhat endorsing the film. Sake neko 07:04, 3 March 2009 (UTC)


 * How's Koei endorsing Red Cliffs? I would say myself not to add it unless Koei either helped made it(which it hasn't) or was a driving factor in it's sales (again hasn't). This sites for the games, so I would say no to Red Cliffs but yes to the images myself. I'm not an admin or oldtimer here, but if this wikia is for the dynasty warriors games(and has been expanded to most Koei games) and the images are from Dynasty Warriors:Strikeforce why not? Moogle Buddy 20:04, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
 * It was somewhat tied in with DW6 Special's release in Japan. The commercial song's the same as Red Cliff's image song (http://news.dengeki.com/elem/000/000/103/103929/). A bit now too with Strikeforce (http://japan.gamespot.com/psp/news/story/0,3800075348,20388719,00.htm). Actually, in Japan, the two medians are often compared and advertised together, usually by the media though. Sake neko 22:30, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

I would say include the Dynasty Warriors: Strikeforce forms, but not to the Red Cliffs movie. Yeah, KOEI's cross-advertising with it, but still, as Moogle Buddy said, they didn't help make it. Unless this was officially a KOEI Wiki/focusing on all things KOEI, then we shouldn't make articles on it. It's just like a DC Comics Wiki having an article on the Watchmen. They are related to it via publishing, but everything in the book still has nothing to do with the DC Comics universe. If you'd like help with the Strikeforce images, I'd be happy to help. Also, while we're at it, is there some law that says we can use images from KOEI Warriors, and should I ask an Admin there if I can use them here? Pretty sure Fair Use doesn't apply to it. :P GreatPanda 01:28, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually, you can grab most of those Strikeforce images from the official website. I think the only ones you can't at the moment are the "Other" characters. But I can find those easily from other jp news sites. It's not that I don't like Koei Warriors or anything but if we can get stuff from another site, then why not post it up? Sake neko 01:47, 5 March 2009 (UTC)


 * If you find useful pics from other sites then sure, run with em, although if it's not promo stuff, would be nice to source it. Also as a heads up though, Koeiwarriors has given us explicit permission to use their images, so I would check there first when looking for images. Dabigbozz42 15:13, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Merging Expansions
As the various game expansions (i.e. Xtreme Legends/PSP/Empires and such) don't have too much information in them, I'd like to bring up a topic of whether we should merge them into the main game articles. This would expand on the main installments, and also clear up and refine the expansion articles (which personally I think are a bit space-consuming). Although, as a Wiki, I think that we should actually have as much information as possible on the games. Just a thought. GreatPanda 21:09, 17 March 2009 (UTC)


 * I'd personally sayleave the expansions like Xtreme Legends & Empires, but the ones which I would say should be moved would be DW6:Special and the PSP versions of various games, this is because it is mostly just the PS2 version of DW6 and PSP versions of existing games, wheras the XL and Empires games are stand alone games that are different to their main games.--Aeon lord92


 * I concur with Aeon about the major expansions and about merging the special's, since those are usually just xtreme legends combined with the original and on a different console. But while I don't have any of the PSP titles, some of them seem like they have distinct differences, so I'm a bit hesitant about merging those (only a bit though, if anyone who has them could enlighten there, that'd be nice) but I know some like WO PSP were intended to be nearly identical with the exception of cutscenes, so that's one that could be merged. Dabigbozz42 15:12, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Style Names?
Should they be included? I would like to add them, at least for the playable cast. It doesn't have to be in the infobox anything, just somewhere on the page for completion's sake (historical section maybe?). Some characters are referred to their style names in the Japanese script and it feels a bit weird to mention it only to not see it anywhere. It just adds a bit of intimacy between the characters, I think. Makes me feel a bit bad for the ladies though. Sake neko 07:22, 30 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Yeah, that sounds good, for the historical info section or the infoboxes, although historical info would be much less of a pain to implement. Dabigbozz42 15:12, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Crimson Sea?
I know it isn't anywhere near the timeline as the Warriors games but it shares a similar battle system. An easy way to sum it up is that it's as a sci-fi Dynasty Warriors with guns and a wonky lock-on system. Since Mystic Heroes, another game with similar traits, is on here, would it be okay to add these two games? Sake neko 18:02, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

As long as it is from Koei (which I think it is *scratches head*) then yes. I say as long as you can get something on it, by all means. I am not an admin either but I have been here for a long time. And I shall say, major major ups for the expansion in this Wikia. I hope to be more active however now that I'm not addicted to IMVU anymore. >_<" Happy editing, MySoundtrackArmy 00:56, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, Crimson Sea is by Koei, so it we should have it, it isn't already up? Odd, oh well, and I'm alive again, I think I'll try helping with some Misc. Pages like Items Moogle Buddy 13:48, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Input
I'm going to try to be more helpful, and I'm going to start with Items. I'm going to use this format and I'm wondering the opinion on everyone:

1)Description of what the item is or does.

2)Appearance in games(what games it appears,and a physical description unless a picture gets put up.)

3)How to obtain

4)Suggested conditions of use(such as offensive players may like Survival scroll, or green scroll/power rune, but defensive may not)


 * 4.1)Suggested characters to use on.


 * 4.2)suggested characters not to use on.

5)Item Info Box

I'll have a trial version of what I mean with Wind scroll soon, input would be wonderfulMoogle Buddy 19:22, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

I saw that format. Looks good to me. I say get other opinions before making that an "official" format though. Good job. ^_^ MySoundtrackArmy 08:29, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

Stubs vs. Deletion(IMPORTANT!)
We need to debate what warrants a stub vs. what warrants deletion. If feel if an article has less than three paragraphs at the very least it, needs to be considered spam and deleted. This Wika is suppose to give an knowledgeable veiw on the games and the subjects within them, not just a meanless paragraph taking up useless space. I also feel as far as new articles we need to stick to the games, unless somone is a notable general, he should not be included(Like Xiahou Mai, any of Cao Cao's sons other than Cao Pi, Chang Gong, Deng Ai, ect.). I know alot of these problems are from one particular nonuser but some articles like it are found anyways. As far as what defines a stub, I think a stub is a signal that this article is IMPORTANT to the wikia, to the koei games we cover, but is lacking in substance, and needs more added to it, not just a placeholdr with no information in it. Moogle Buddy 20:52, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
 * While on one hand I agree that only notable npcs should have articles, I feel it's a bit hasty automatically labeling them for deletion without making sure whether or not anything could be added to them. Cao Zhi on the top of my head is somewhat important in DW6 as if you let him get routed in one stage (can't remember which) you'll lose the battle and the stage will end. Little things like that should be researched and added. Most of the articles added don't really have anything on them as there hasn't been enough breathing room given for people to add info. kyosei 21:17, 9 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Whatever contains less than three paragraphs or so and/or has no real definitive format or information should be deleted, but if the article's subject actually relates to a major game(i.e. Warriors games, Kessen, Dynasty Tactics, etc. excluding Romance of the Three Kingdoms which should have it's own format for characters somewhere in the very, very far future), then it should be a stub. Articles that aren't truly important in the major games like Yi Shang, Cao Mao, Hou Xuan, etc. should be deleted or something to that effect. The articles have no real information that could be added to them since they were insignificant in the RotK series and don't have too much information stored on them. Warlords should be kept, however, like Zhang Lu, Han Sui, Ma Teng, etc. Though aside from this, there are way too many articles labeled as stubs. I don't really think the unique character articles should be among the stub category. Especially articles like Zhao Yun and Liu Bei, that have a good amount of information on them. And Kyosei is right, a lot of articles that are labeled as candidates for deleting haven't had enough time to add information onto them. GreatPanda 21:20, 9 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Stub pages are pages that are not complete; they don't have everything that an ideal page should have. This is why I labeled pages that look relatively complete (like Sun Shang Xiang, Liu Bei, and Cao Cao) as stubs. They either lack info that covers their entire role in the series, info regarding their gameplay, or in depth historical/Romance of the Three Kingdoms info. To say that Zhao Yun is a complete page is a bit off kilter since it doesn't really talk about his actual historical/novel counterpart; just oddly meshes it with his character story info. Yes, the series reenacts famous scenes from the novel but there should still be some distinctions for what actually happens in the games. They should be treated as separate bodies of info.


 * As far as deletion goes, I'm against it. Mostly because some pages should be given a chance to expand before labeling them as "insignificant". I think the issue is really more like "what makes a NPC" vs "who appears in the novel." Even though these pages were forcefully added, they may have a shred of importance once they're completed. Also, if we were going by what the DW series adds, then technically most of the added articles are legit thanks to the database/encyclopedia section. If we go by that mindset, we can narrow down who stays and who goes.


 * Or why not just save us the trouble of knowing who is a mentioned person by making a new template for characters who (have so far) only appeared in the novel? Then we can switch them in if they actually appear in the games. They can be put in their own section (like novel characters or something) and save us the trouble of even having this discussion. This wikia is likely to add them eventually with the ROTK disambiguation page that was set up long ago. Frankly, I'm more for this solution since it is bothersome to erase a page only to have an unwitting IP spring this again. It also adds more coverage for the novel/history, which is always a good thing in my book. I was kinda thinking of doing the same with some of the Samurai Warriors/Kessen related characters in the future. Anyways, that's what I think. Sake neko 01:08, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

I was hoping we might have a mod sort this out...but it seems I hoped in vain. Anyway I thought we wouldn't want empty article because they have nothing in them, they don't add anything to the wikia, if someone adds content to them I'll say that's excellent, but if they don't have anything in them they might as well not be there. Also as to some of the people who only existed in Romance of the Three Kingdoms, we only cover the games so we shouldn't even cover them, I feel the same for NPC who have no role in the games at all. If they appear frequently(Cheng Pu, Yan Yan) or have a role(Yan Liang and He Jin) then we should cover them, but otherwise I don't think we should cover them. Anyways thanks for the input and thank all of you for the amount of work you've added here. And on the bright side that bothersome IP just seemed to disappear, on the dark side he was never blcoked so he could come back at anytime. We really need someone to who can block these people... ...Moogle Buddy 19:21, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Quotable Quotes
I've been thinking this needed to be done for awhile, but a grand opportunity to discuss it has arisen. Notice that Yue Ying's quotes section has now become monstrously huge to the point that it seems to be the main focus of the article. Rather than deleting most of them down to choice few, would it be too much to suggest to separate common quotes heard during gameplay onto their own page? This could apply to all the other characters as well and the quote section can either be removed or left with choice quotes from special cutscenes and the like. The pages could be called "Yue Ying (Quotes)", etc.

I was also thinking the same could be done for say the weapons guide sections. It's a weird tonal shift to talk about Game FAQs-like strategies for obtaining weapons after spending over half of article talking about the characters themselves when all is said and done. The weapon and fighting styles sections could stay as nice brief overviews and then a page called for example "Zhou Yu (Walkthrough)" or something could be made. Detailed information about their Musou modes and weapon guides from each game could be inserted on this separate page. kyosei 00:34, 19 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I think that would be an idea worthy of at least a trial at least. If you can get a page big enough (says he with the Item category) I'm all for adding any pages of depth. I'm kind of lost in this wikia, so that's why I don't help to much(you all are too good), but if you need help here I can be of assistance. If you look some remote places we have DW4 walkthroughs, but they are incomplete, and rare. I'll try to get a trial version of someone later and see what you think.Moogle Buddy 13:21, 19 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I like the idea. I'm not sure if we really need a whole page for just Quotes, but for Musou mode walkthroughs would be great. Fighting Style sections, I don't really think needs any of its own page - Its summary on the character pages now isn't too space-consuming. But on the topic of Quote pages, again, I'm not really sure about it since it'd take a hella lot of effort to get just one character's page full. GreatPanda 00:57, 22 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Trust me. Just by going on Yue Ying's quote section alone it's easily justifiable for making, like I said, the more commonly heard quotes their own page. A good portion of the quotes listed there are just that. A good jump start on getting a good portion of them down can be done easily via Dynasty Warriors 6's voice collection. The older games will be a bit harder to collect quotes since they're not as easily accessed in the same manner but they have just as many. I'm fine with leaving the fighting sections as they are, but they need to have a more neutral point of view. Many of them are biased. Rather than describing to a reader how the characters plays, they dictate to the reader how to play them. Suggesting that it is the only way to play them when in all truth anyone can play the character as they please. kyosei 02:03, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

Mystic Heroes expansion?
I kinda mentioned it on the page's opening paragraphs, but the game is actually a part of the Fengshen Yanyi series that Koei made. It's just that Mystic Heroes is the only version that I know of that made it to the Western shores. I was wondering if it would be all right to add more about the older games so the Mystic Heroes thumbnails can be put in their own character articles. In Taigong Wang's case, since he has two characters based on him, I'd be willing to leave it as it is on his page right now and link the two respective characters. That way, any Mystic Heroes fans (they pop up once in awhile) can talk more about the characters' fighting style and story.

The only thing I'd struggle with is whether the characters should be called their Japanese pronunciations, the original Chinese names, or the English version of their names. Anyone think we should add the other games or should it just be left as Mystic Heroes? Sake neko 00:45, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

If you can do it, go for it. As for the names case, I'd suggest going with their original Chinese names if they haven't been localized in the Americas. That's my half-a-cent. GreatPanda 00:57, 22 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Wait I just thought of something else I might have a problem with. The game's title. Technically, it wouldn't be off to say Fengshen Yanyi but people know the games better as Houshin Engi (the Japanese pronunciation). It's the same exact title really but I'm wondering if it's okay just to say Fengshen Yanyi. The same goes for the second game and the spin-off too since they also use "Houshin". I'm worried that I make the page under Fengshen but have someone randomly move it to Houshin since they're more used to it. I'm still thinking of how exactly to approach this one... Sake neko 23:06, 24 May 2009 (UTC)