User talk:Ixbran

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Re:DW7Empires
I've said it to you three times before, so I'll say it again. I'm not a heavy Warriors fan. This game doesn't look that appealing or interesting to me. Nearly all of the additions sound gimmicky or are rehashed ideas from other games (Koei or otherwise). Edit characters are there for shameless filler. And I didn't like the lazy character arcs in DW7 or its general play style, so this game appeals to me even less. But, since it has the branding "Dynasty Warriors", it will sell like hotcakes no matter how much I complain about it. In short, I won't be buying this one. I might rent it or play it at a friend's house to give it a shot, but that's about it.

The Warriors game which looks interesting to me at the moment is Shin Hokuto. It vaguely looks like a Hokuto version of the Gundam ones with unique character movesets, so that's a plus in my book. Can't say much else about it though. Sake neko (talk) 01:51, August 25, 2012 (UTC)
 * Geez, calm down. I'm just saying that, regardless of whatever WO3 says, those characters really had just one weapon. Regardless of type, those characters in actuality had only one weapon. It's like you're trying to pass them off as characters who actually had three unique models for power, speed, standard (Lu Xun and company). Yet you say the name is super important for some reason just because it's reuse in WO3. That just says to me that you have never touched DW6.


 * And yeah, even if I don't particularly like Warriors games anymore, that doesn't mean I am completely ignorant of them and have never played the newest titles. You sure are being insulting by implying as such. Sake neko (talk) 23:14, August 26, 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm just saying my opinion because you engaged in conversation. I'm not even upset about the weapons or whatever; it just sounds like you haven't played DW6 and I was just trying to tell you what I thought.


 * I have never intended on insulting you, I'm just saying that's how it feels like when I read the changes you do. So, I'm truly sorry if that's how you take it. I can't change about how you feel with what I type. If you don't want me to respond, then don't leave a message on my talk page. It's the internet; I can forgive and forget because it's just words on a screen typed by someone whose face I cannot see.


 * Let's be serious here: you're sounding like an enraged fanboy, not the friendly well meaning type. You have a bad habit of flinging insults. I have not personally insulted you with crude slurs or vulgar words, but you seem to have no problem doing so and instead play victim like you did on my talk page. You need to understand that this is how you sound. I trust you aren't like that personally, but really, knock it off. If you're upset with something, just give it a break and be rational about it. Sake neko (talk) 23:35, August 26, 2012 (UTC)

Related videos
Please do not add videos to the global list. Adding it to the global list means the video will show on every page on the wiki even if the video isn't related to the page. If you're adding a specific trailer or promotional video for a particular game, make sure it's being added to that article's related videos list, not the global one. Kyosei (talk) 14:34, August 28, 2012 (UTC)
 * Just in case you didn't see it, by October 3, all of the page specific related video pages will be disappearing and will be merged to the global list. This is a change being enforced by Wikia to "encourage" directly embedding page specific videos into the article itself for more page views essentially. This is why you ended up adding to the global list instead of the page specific list. This was a preemptive move made by towards that direction without really informing anyone in a global announcement. Details, comments, feedback and questions can be left here. Kyosei (talk) 19:44, September 21, 2012 (UTC)

Re:Generics
I think it should just go to the dedicated generics page, it's what it's there for to begin with. The weapon moveset pages are for movesets that every playable character can use and share. Since this is something specific only to generics it should just go there. Kyosei (talk) 22:21, September 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * Looks fine to me. Kyosei (talk) 23:36, September 21, 2012 (UTC)

Re:Flail
Meh I'd just put it on the DW7 one. I don't see the point on putting it on the Empires one. Kyosei (talk) 00:50, September 24, 2012 (UTC)

Erasing
I only erase or move what you write if the information you write is not particularly true to what you're trying to convey. I don't treat in any way that is different than with a random IP editor, another user, or even with my own writing when I screw up.

You don't have to keep posting "because I have permission" all the time in the recent changes. It's great you're actually talking to Kyosei when you're not sure about something, but there's no need to keep naming me out like I have supreme grudge against you. I really don't. It's like you have a constant agenda against me every time you type that out. So, please stop doing that. Thanks in advance. Sake neko (talk) 02:52, September 24, 2012 (UTC)

Re:Zhang Chunhua
I'm going to have to re-chime on what Humble Novice has already said and would rather wait for the game release to know for sure if it is actually unique. Kyosei (talk) 15:22, October 4, 2012 (UTC)


 * Look, this is the Twitter campaign's title:『真・三國無双６ Empires』発売記念：エディット武将命名キャンペーン = "Dynasty Warriors 7 Empires Release Celebration: Edit Warriors Naming Campaign". There's not even a mention of "unique generics"; they're edit characters. How is that any different than any other generic character in the game, including the ones you can make in the game? Because they had a campaign to name them? That's it really.


 * And yes, you can change the color of edit parts. That's a feature that was showcased extensively at TGS. It's also something that's been coming back from DW6 Empires, except with slightly more detail. Sake neko (talk) 00:38, October 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * You're distorting the facts however. You can replace any character in the game with another edit character. That was also showcased at TGS, on stage even. I mean here's one of the Yoshimoto group comedians beating up his coworkers in battle. I just think you're giving these edit character unreasonable special treatment, when really they're not any different than any other edit character in the game. Sake neko (talk) 00:56, October 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * Even if Zhang Chenhua's face is not unique to her by a long shot, huh? You seem pretty set that they're are "unique", but it's been clearly demonstrated on multiple occasions both on stage and in news reports that the playable cast are the only uniquely designed characters in the game. If you want to stay in denial that are simply edit characters, then I guess there's nothing I can say that can change your mind. Or of how much I actually do keep up with this game, even with my lack of personal interest. Sake neko (talk) 01:13, October 5, 2012 (UTC)

Behavior
Alright, I've been pretty lenient on this matter because I know you tend to lean on the side of passionate fan. I can take the hits pretty well myself, I have a hardened skin of iron sometimes, but really, you don't need to resort to senseless name calling or baseless insults against other users especially when the other party does not do the same. I don't like how it seems like you feel you can get away with this either just because the other party in question is not an authority figure. Whether or not they are a mod or fellow user there's no reason to drop all courtesy. This is not just in the case with Sake neko, you've done it with me in the past, and other users.

Try to use a more respectful tone, you don't have to agree but there's no reason to not be civil. I'm not asking you to be sugar sweet, just less acidic and venomous. Take time to cool down before responding, not cracking at the whip to "try and get back" at whoever you feel has personally wronged you. Usually they're not trying to personally insult you and your intelligence, they're trying to give constructive criticism or correcting a perceptional error on your part. That's not a bad thing. It's ok to be wrong, no one's perfect. It's better to correct your mistakes then go on in ignorance of the fact and looking all the more foolish because of it. Try to be more open and accepting of this criticism and less biting of the hand. Kyosei (talk) 11:55, October 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * That's all I ask, that you're at least willing to consider the other party before immediately write them off as wrong and consider them "the enemy". You need to remember it's another person on the other side. You wouldn't really say these things face to face. Put yourself in the other person's place: if you read your own response how would that make you feel if you received that message. If only makes you feel more angry and insulted, it's probably a sign you should reword it.


 * Also, don't say things like: "Go back to editing those female dating RPG Games you like so much that never get ported out west because we all know its important to post information on a japanese-only game on an english speaking wiki". Not only is this an elitist attitude, especially since we're a wiki covering a Japanese video game development company, it's a bit sexist and ignores the fact that this is a wiki that aims to cover everything Koei-related. You're also ignoring the fact these "female dating" sims have played a historically significant part in developing the video game industry more so than the Warriors games in Japan. These "girly" games, make up a good chunk of Koei's revenue and helped to support the development of your Warriors games. There also seems to be a growing general interest in these games based on the wiki visitor statistics. Even if you may not be interested, plenty of other readers do not seem to agree. Also, IF we were to really take the stance that English-only games should be covered on the wiki, we would not talk about many other games you yourself are interested in such as:


 * Jan Sangoku Musou
 * Musou Orochi 2: Special
 * Sengoku Musou 3 Z: Special
 * Sengoku Musou 3: Empires
 * Sengoku Musou 3: Moushouden
 * Sengoku Musou Chronicle 2nd
 * Shin Sangoku Musou 6 Special
 * Shin Sangoku Musou Multi Raid 2
 * Shin Sangoku Musou VS


 * Again. Try to be more opened-minded, calm down and really sit down and think about what you're typing. I appreciate in advance that you will be taking this more adult approach in the future in your debates and responses. Kyosei (talk) 20:37, October 5, 2012 (UTC)

Re:Edit gallery
It looks fine though somewhat excessive as I don't think it's necessary to see every color combination for every outfit especially since we haven't done it for other games. At that point might as well let people play the game and see the different color variations for themselves. At best I think these pages should just showcase the different base outfits you can choose. Kyosei (talk) 06:39, October 14, 2012 (UTC)
 * ? I don't really see why you'd need to be on edge for. Did I say I was going to crop and delete the images? All I said is I didn't think showing all the color combos was necessary. You did ask for my personal opinion after all. Even if I may disagree with it, I'm not going to outright undo hours of work unless I find it totally out of line (i.e. incorrect/misleading information or lazy copy/pasta). In the end, the edit character page is free to show off all these costumes. Kyosei (talk) 21:00, October 14, 2012 (UTC)
 * I would think you would know me by now. If I'm going to do something, I do it as soon as I found out about. I'm not going to delay doing anything I can do right away. If I was really going to crop the images, I would've done it as soon as you told me about it. Kyosei (talk) 21:32, October 14, 2012 (UTC)

Re:Videoes
This is part of the change that was already discussed in this blog post and done by Wikia's bot. There's nothing much I can do myself as the only response Wikia gave to our complaints in the blog post was essentially: "We're sorry for the inconvenience, directly embed the related videos you want on the desired articles instead." I personally do not like it but again nothing I can do about it. I don't like the idea of directly embedding either as it tends to look tacky more than anything. Kyosei (talk) 01:25, October 18, 2012 (UTC)
 * To be honest, I don't see the need to embed any of the videos on any of the articles. Most of the videos that were uploaded here fell into one of three categories: promotional trailer/teaser, intro cinematic or music. I don't feel any of these things added much to the article it was related to, it was just something extra on the side bar which was fine. If we directly embed videos into articles, I'd rather they serve a more meaningful purpose such as an in-depth video to demonstrate some gameplay element in action as opposed to some random trailer which doesn't do much other than glaze over details. Kyosei (talk) 01:53, October 18, 2012 (UTC)

Re:Galleries
I'd only consider that for someone like Nobunaga. Most of them actually don't have that many images. Kyosei (talk) 23:00, October 31, 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm going to be brutally honest here. It looks terrible, so I'll be undoing it. I'm considering doing something else with the galleries. Kyosei (talk) 23:22, October 31, 2012 (UTC)
 * I've made Nobunaga's gallery collapsible. I feel this is a better solution in the long run for this wiki. Feel free to apply to other character pages you think might need it. Kyosei (talk) 23:58, October 31, 2012 (UTC)

Movesets
The category by itself already has just DW movesets. It doesn't need a sub category if that's all it's going to talk about in the first place. Plus, the most looked at pages in the first place are these movesets anyways. Those top, most visited pages in the category already lists the ones you say need highlights. I think you're just being biased again for DW series, and I'm just kindly asking you to knock it off. Sake neko (talk) 06:36, November 9, 2012 (UTC)
 * The reason why I'm undoing it is because these weapon moveset pages are really not that hard to find as you are claiming it to be. Look at the top visited pages in that category before you changed it. Look at that the top visited game pages on this wiki on the gallery view. Those pages are linked everywhere, even spammed multiple times on character pages if need be. I think people aren't as daft about wiki browsing as you claim. Even a simple search result can give you the same pages in a breeze. I think you're just being biased for DW again. It's great you're excited for the game coming up, but what you're saying doesn't necessarily justify the means. Sake neko (talk) 06:48, November 9, 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm not going to bother undoing your changes, since I know from past experience you'll just throw another hissy fit about it no matter what I say at this point. But I will comment on your "how stupid people can be" remark. Are you that narrow minded and distrustful of others that you actually believe that? Yeah, you can say this is the internet and everything, but that's a pretty shallow assumption you have of random visitors if you'll use that as a "fact" to defend yourself. Sake neko (talk) 07:42, November 9, 2012 (UTC)
 * This is going to sound harsh, but being protective and defensive over your edits is NOT wiki contributing. You'll see this on Wikipedia, and you'll see it here too for the edit box: "If you don't want your writing to be edited mercilessly, then don't submit it here." Try to understand what this really means, the warning is there for a reason. Wikis in general are open to the public and readily adaptable for anyone to change. If you're going to keep that attitude about your writing and other people, it's just contradictory to this wiki's purpose in general. I've accepted what this means a long time ago, but it seems you haven't. The edit wars you like to pull prove that. Really think about in the future when you want to add something to this site. Sake neko (talk) 08:11, November 9, 2012 (UTC)

DLC
I've never liked that organization because it's extremely biased. It places parts and accessories over everything else and it implies they are more important than anything else on the page. And it completely ignores the actual scheduling for these things as they are released. I would actually prefer merging these by date and listing them out in one big package ala this page, because that's how it actually is at present. Sake neko (talk) 18:05, November 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * It's going to be awhile before even DW7 Empires sees the light of day in the west either. If people are following the JP DLC page, it'd be nice to actually see the legit order before things are skewed yet again. Also, that just goes back to my previous argument of it looking extremely biased. You're still stressing that these should be separated when there's no need to do such a thing yet. In fact, there's only a slight likelihood that we even need to do so knowing the localization team at TecmoKoei as of late. They translate things so literally that I wouldn't be surprised if this is the order it is kept or if they merge these sets together anyways.


 * Personally, I would prefer a proper looking DLC page for DW7/DW7XL for once because that is one of the flaws of the current DW7 DLC page as it stands now. It doesn't include everything. Sake neko (talk) 18:23, November 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm complaining mostly to you because I remember not too long ago that you were the one saying "how important it is to know and find individual DLC", when really you only seemed to care about costumes and weapon skins. I could do the DW7 DLC page, but I feel that defeats this wiki's purpose: "anyone can edit". I'm egging you on to feel proud about even proposing that game's DLC in the first place by finishing it. It's hypocritical when you were the one who was so persistent to cover it in its entirety and ignore it at the same time. Sake neko (talk) 18:46, November 17, 2012 (UTC)

I could translate the DW7 stages from the Japanese site and you can match it up with whatever the English site say. The pricing for these packs are the same throughout, regardless of the update. Sake neko (talk) 19:05, November 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * Actually, never mind. It's not my place to force someone to do something they don't want to. The offer still stands, but only if you're willing. Sake neko (talk) 19:18, November 17, 2012 (UTC)

To which I say, it's still not accurate to call them that. Anyone who has played a DW title in its entirety can tell you that Zhang Liao and Gan Ning are far from having the strongest strength stat or what have you of their particular faction. They mainly have historical praise and character popularity going for them. That point is mostly valid for the other three. In other words, don't just copy and paste information without thinking if it's a true statement or not. Sake neko (talk) 07:47, November 18, 2012 (UTC)
 * So wait for the game then and see it for your own eyes rather than working from third hand information. Don't be a "messenger boy". Or have someone who has played the game themselves edit. This wiki needs more active editors anyways. Sake neko (talk) 08:07, November 18, 2012 (UTC)

Re:Animal symbolism
It was a very redundant page. Not only does each faction page tell readers these things already, each character symbolism section for every character page does this too and in greater detail. At best all it did was glorify Dynasty Warriors and glossed over everything else as not important. Kyosei (talk) 04:18, November 23, 2012 (UTC)


 * This still goes back to my other point in that it is way too generalized and glosses over a lot of details. It doesn't even cover all the animals represented in the Warriors Orochi series much less Samurai Warriors ones. It even skips a lot of animals mentioned in Dynasty Warriors too and also makes the assumption that only the animal symbolism is important. Not every character is represented by animals. It also ignores any animals that don't appear in these games and therefore has an even narrower focus and feels like it's intentionally biased in it's representation of animals. There was a lot of problems with the page, and really would've been over-bloated trying compensate for everything by over-generalizing. A lot of these animals can and do represent different things on a case-by-case basis. Having this page here choosing the middle of the road general description is misleading and assumes every character represented by a certain animal adheres to that meaning, which they necessarily do not. Kyosei (talk) 04:46, November 23, 2012 (UTC)


 * I thank you for trying to defend me, Ixbran, but it's not like Kyosei's criticism was a personal attack against me. If my article was insubstantial, then my article is indeed insubstantial. It's as simple as that. After all, it's better to move on and learn from one's own mistakes rather than just lament over it, right? I personally think that editors like us shouldn't be so attached with our own work despite the amount of effort we put into them due to the malleable nature of this site. Also, disrespecting administrators is a very bad move since not all of them are understandable, reasonable, or patient. It may be hard to swallow for some who take pride in their contributions, but they'll come to understand someday. Humble Novice (talk) 06:23, November 23, 2012 (UTC)

Re:Chin
No not really. Kyosei (talk) 18:59, December 3, 2012 (UTC)

Re: Wordmark
Wordmarks can't be changed by anyone except for admins and Wikia staff. As for the actual wordmark you made, I'll be frank in saying I think it looks too busy and honestly don't like the idea of a holiday themed logo. Kyosei (talk) 17:22, December 4, 2012 (UTC)

Shooting
This is a really old idea. You can say the same thing about Columbine and Doom that those boys supposedly enjoyed. BTW, this same guy also liked Pokemon too supposedly. But really, are you willing to support the idea that we should associate the DW series with the unrelated yet unfortunate losses the victims' families have suffered? Or are you just morbidly happy that DW was finally mentioned in the mass media? Either way, while I feel really, really sorry for those what these poor families have had to endure, it's in bad taste to mention it here at all because it's like you're happily supporting that DW is essentially being used as an excuse for what the man may have done.

Think about that for a moment, and please never bring this up with me again. Sake neko (talk) 04:00, December 18, 2012 (UTC)
 * Also to quote Team Four Star with complete seriousness, "Ixbran! Too soon!". Sake neko (talk) 04:22, December 18, 2012 (UTC)
 * To be honest, you didn't make your own feelings very clear with that first post. It seemed like you were being swept away the silly scandalized spin on things by posting those news reports, and that got me miffed. Also, please look on Komatsuhime's talk page for my personal opinions on this matter. And I apologize for offending you. That was never my intent. My intent was mostly to express how your post sounded like to me and my opinions regarding that. If that's how you feel about this, then I'm glad. Then let's drop this topic and hope that the poor families recover together. Sake neko (talk) 16:58, December 18, 2012 (UTC)

Sima Yi
should only get a mention on his own individual page regarding how many games he has been in Wei. Even more to the point, he's the only case in which an official "faction change" has taken place (even then not really since DW Jin is just late era Wei anyways). Unless Omega Force goes out of their trouble to actually revitalize this franchise by scratch and give individual representations to many of the factions they focus on, which doesn't seem very likely in the foreseeable future.

If a single sentence on his page tells you this, then there's no need to say it on the series's page as well. Sake neko (talk) 00:13, December 28, 2012 (UTC)
 * If the gallery view bothers you that much, we could always go back to the ye' olde version that was up before you probably knew about this wiki because honestly I'd be all good for that too. Otherwise, just be happy that all the characters are there and accounted for, OCD or not. Sake neko (talk) 00:26, December 28, 2012 (UTC)

Re: Featured article Or simply why I don't want to feature what's popular
Seeing the voting is supposed to be a community thing that no one is using anyways I take it upon myself to to simply feature good articles that I know casual/general visitors will not look at unless they are featured and use a thematic rotation for the article's subject matter. As you can see based on the featured articles list, I like to change it up: character-based article (Japanese, Chinese, misc), game (unlocalized, localized) and then to something miscellaneous such as a developer, voice actor or real world concept article. It's boring to feature something everyone probably has already seen or commonly knows about Koei. In general, most readers are going to come for Dynasty Warriors related articles. Now back when this was just a Dynasty Warriors wiki, no problem it's what you expected to see. Now that the wiki's broadened its horizons beyond that scope, I'd rather not go back to simply featuring Dynasty Warriors related things. Koei is a company so much more than that and deserving to show off more of its history and variety and the featured article is a good way to highlight this. Theme for this month is a localized obscure game. Next character based article won't be featured til March and it will be a non-Asian character. Kyosei (talk) 06:48, January 15, 2013 (UTC)

about Yueying
I know it's a nitpicky issue, but I still don't see your reasoning. The questionable phrase for me is... Not much is known about her historically... There are many stories of her being considered an ugly woman , by Chinese terms, for her time .

It should be obvious that she's considered ugly by Chinese terms, given that the stories come from Chinese folklore, she's a Chinese figure, and the stories are from that time, long ago. The phrasing is redundant. You claimed that... "there are people online who claim she needs to be as ugly as Dong Zhuo to be historically accurate, so no I dont think its obvious." but I don't get what comparing her with Dong Zhuo has to do with the phrase itself. Especially with your next edit along the lines of "She was considered an ugly woman, but only ugly in terms of that time period," as if Yueying's feelings needed to be defended

It just seems to me that you're editing the article, changing wording around to suit your goals, albeit unconsciously. 108.8.11.190 03:14, January 18, 2013 (UTC)

oh, and I don't mean any personal harm by this, if that seems to be the intent 108.8.11.190 03:15, January 18, 2013 (UTC)

I just wanted to help make it more obvious to those who dont quite get it. Knowing that there are people who think that she needs to be as ugly as dong zhuo for her to be historically accurate tells me the message isnt getting across properly for everyone to understand. Ixbran (talk) 03:36, January 18, 2013 (UTC)


 * Whatever you say, I still don't think your reasoning makes sense. I'm not going to push the issue any further seeing as the edit is something minor, but I hope you really consider what I said about changing wording to suit yourself. By the way, not that it matters, but I do have an account on the Wiki, just never logged in seeing as I don't really get on to edit anymore. 108.8.11.190 05:31, January 18, 2013 (UTC)

Re:Videos
You seem to use the phrase: "it looks tacky" or "feels tacky" to pretty much describe everything you don't like as a justification as to why it should be changed to the point of not really reflecting the true meaning of the phrase. I fail to see how ham-fisting a gallery of over 20 videos at the bottom of an article is somehow more elegant than a providing single link which accomplishes the same thing. On average, a quarter to a third of any average visitor using Wikia's video preview will crash their web browser (Chrome crashes trying to view these videos) but I suppose only a minor inconvenience for the sake of page hits? I'm not sure why you're so concerned with popularity contests on Wikia or convinced that attaching videos to articles guarantees a huge increase in readership. The Around the Wikia ads don't even work for any visitor using an ad blocker much less whether or not it's based on popularity. On the contrary, it is based on choices made by the Wikia staff or suggestions made by users/admins based on certain criteria they want fulfilled. Kyosei (talk) 04:41, January 26, 2013 (UTC)

Alternate Costumes
The reason why the DW5 costumes have been kept is because they're more than just color or texture-swapped outfits. Changes in hairstyle, dress style, and accessories count. If different colored costumes were allowed in this site, then they would have already been uploaded long ago. Do you understand what I mean? Humble Novice (talk) 03:02, March 6, 2013 (UTC)


 * And by the way, images of palette-swapped costumes via downloadable content or special events can be posted on this site. Humble Novice (talk) 03:06, March 6, 2013 (UTC)

It's Okay
because I think it bares repeating again: I've gotten used to your tantrums a long time ago and have learned to not take them too personally. I don't know what's eating at you, but I hope you cheer up sometime. It's not worth mulling over guilt and anger when there's still joy to be found in life. Uh, like, sunshine and lollipops. And fluffy kittens. Get better soon. Sake neko (talk) 09:40, March 19, 2013 (UTC)

Zhuge Dan's Alternate Musou
Since you're so adamant regarding Zhuge Dan's new Musou attack, have a look at these videos with your own eyes. Ironically, I have to resort to linking these clips just to make you believe that watching one video is hardly enough.


 * Video 1 - (Start at 5:22)
 * Video 2 - (Start at 5:18)
 * Video 3 - (Start at 0:22)
 * Video 4 - (Start at 4:48)

If you won't even believe what I have to say, try asking the other members from Koei Warriors about it instead. That should be more than enough to make you reconsider, right? If not, I'll even test it out again just to put this whole thing to rest before things get out of hand like last time. Humble Novice (talk) 23:37, April 2, 2013 (UTC)

Do you
own Dynasty Warriors 8 Japanese Version??. 99.226.100.243 00:59, April 26, 2013‎

Ixbran (talk) 02:02, April 26, 2013 (UTC)
 * Nope, waiting till the english release.

Orderly
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orderly

As Zhenji's a nurse, Guan Ping is likely just an orderly, they're more prominent in places such as nursing homes or long term care facilities. If you google image search for "orderly" his outfit looks almost exactly like one of the first hits on the page, except a bit more Chinese in fashion. Komatsuhime (talk) 04:21, May 16, 2013 (UTC)

Pang Tong also has a medical theme to him, so it's possible that Ping's included in that as well. He's a type of surgeon. I think it's more common for men to be considered orderlies, because the work tends to be more physical, especially in nursing homes when they're physically lifting and carrying patients. Komatsuhime (talk) 04:27, May 16, 2013 (UTC)

Hundun
is the name for a Chinese legendary figure. Stop trying to impose it with the WO English generic because they might not be the same character. That's why I keep asking you to please wait for a scan so we don't have to fix assumptions purely made on name. A trivia note can be added saying that he/she was the name for a generic, but please don't automatically think they are the same character based on name alone. Because that hasn't been proven yet. Please keep it as Hundun until you can flash a scan in my face showing that he actually is a Orochi generic general. Sake neko (talk) 04:46, September 4, 2013 (UTC)


 * You can't though. That's illogical to do say make the assumption that they actual are the same character when you lack the image to go with that name. Do you mean to say that you're going to call a possibly unique looking character "Hammerjaw" just because that's what the English localization team decided to call a completely unrelated Orochi generic? That's not how it works. Well, then we might as well call DW Cai Wenji as she is now Cai Wengi because that's how DW4XL made her name when she was bodyguard. Because that's the type of logic you're using to support your argument. Please just stop making assumptions. It just gets difficult when it's just easier to wait for a scan or a report showing who this character actually is. We don't even if the person's a he or she yet! Sake neko (talk) 04:57, September 4, 2013 (UTC)


 * I'm with Sake on this one. We're not even sure if Hundun will keep the name Hammerjaw since it's nothing more than an arbitrary name change done by the localization team in the past. And believe it or not, name changes are more common than you think regardless of what the original actually says. While preferring the western names over the eastern ones is just fine, please don't just arrogantly assume they'll remain that way without any concrete confirmation. It just makes the site look less reliable, thus hurting its reputation in the process. Humble Novice (talk) 05:13, September 4, 2013 (UTC)

Apology accepted. Because this isn't the first time that you've slurred me when you're riled up for some reason. And this isn't the first time that I'm going to ask you to please try being more civil about that. Please try to reflect on your behavior a bit sooner. It was really uncalled for and tiring. Sake neko (talk) 14:58, September 4, 2013 (UTC)

Samurai Warriors 3 quotes
Could you help me get all the Samurai Warriors 3 quotes? soundrip the game if you have to.&#123;&#123;SUBST:User:Hiromichi/sig2&#125;&#125; (talk) 00:04, May 15, 2014 (UTC)

Zelda Musou
If you already have that much information collected for it, why not just make the page on the main wiki space? Unless your beta page is mostly made up of your own observations/conjunctures? Sake neko (talk) 22:56, December 18, 2013 (UTC)

Re:Videos
So long as the vids are segregated into their own tab it's alright. Kyosei (talk) 17:10, February 25, 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for your thoughts
It's surprising. Usually you would like to fire off with a slew of insults about how stupid I am or something to that effect. Frankly, no one else really addresses me to state their opinion about my character, and I just tend to add whatever I want/know about this company that I like. For my perspective, I mostly see it as just that so it's interesting to see what other people think. You're right at some points so I'll take it into consideration.

You really do sound depressed if you're taking this so seriously. It's like I attacked your morales somehow when I didn't mean to do that at all. Sorry. Something must be really bothering you. If you need someone to rant to about whatever problems you have, I can be a lending ear outside of Wikia. If not, that's okay too. You're free to do whatever you want. Sake neko (talk) 07:28, March 22, 2014 (UTC)
 * Uh, I was inviting you to say whether you wanted to state your thoughts privately to me or not so we can take this off Wikia, but okay. Your way I guess. If it makes you feel any better, you can put Wikia contributing on your résumé if you keep at it and there are plenty of other online volunteer opportunities you can do if you want. I don't have serious medical conditions, lots of annoying minor ones, but someone in my family does and I might need to take care of them soon. I have also not been in the best of health myself, what with worrying about said family member and having job trouble, so I can relate to you on some level. Editing at Wikia does give me time to breathe.


 * Be proud of your own edits and write what you know. Realize that not everything you write is set in stone on a site like this because anyone can change it. Accept mistakes or misgivings and appreciate knowing something new. That's the end line of what I've been trying to say to you over and over again really. I also do not consider myself as being overly reliable with everything I write in the first go, and I appreciate anyone who corrects the writing I put. It doesn't deter me from doing what I want I think this Wikia should do: give readers information about something that is kinda obscure outside of Japan.


 * Oh, and if your family doesn't want you going outside or getting a job because of "health issues", tell them to at least let you enjoy a walk outside or an open window when you want something to do. Unless your illness is physically paralyzing to you –in fact, even if it is– no one should be forced to stay indoors against their own will. Try reading Tuesdays with Morrie someday (the book, not the movie); you can learn a lot from an old man. Hold your head high, Ixbran. Sake neko (talk) 15:16, March 22, 2014 (UTC)

Re:Videos
Wouldn't it just be easier to just directly link the video rather than reposting it using Wikia's video uploader? I still despise Wikia's videos because they still suck hits away from the original video link and uploader. Sake neko (talk) 04:12, April 13, 2014 (UTC)
 * Well, if previous discussions regarding putting up videos has taught me anything, it's that my opinion doesn't matter much in the end because someone will want to put them up no matter what I say or do about them. Talk to Kyosei about it. Sake neko (talk) 17:57, April 13, 2014 (UTC)

Zelda
Uh, right here. It's not anything that new either. Then again, it says her sword is made by the Golon guys, so what the hell do I know. Sake neko (talk) 11:57, May 28, 2014 (UTC)


 * If it's wrong, just remove it from the page. Sake neko (talk) 12:22, May 28, 2014 (UTC)


 * As far as I know, we only use images of characters wearing the same costume if they're from separate titles/sequels and wielding different weapons. I believe Kyosei came up with that rule, so you may want to inquire him about it if you wish to discuss the possibility of making some changes around here. Humble Novice (talk) 05:12, June 14, 2014 (UTC)

To be blunt
this is one of the few cases where I think image consistency is not an issue. This forces everything to fit the oblong shape of current AAA gaming consoles. But this wiki strives to cover games which are older or have game visuals which don't follow that format (ie: social games, older Nintendo games, and so on). Everything is going to end up mismatched just by that very nature.

I don't mind so much on character pages because they're up to date in that regard. All the games on this wiki won't though. Sake neko (talk) 09:45, May 29, 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks for understanding. Sake neko (talk) 10:51, May 29, 2014 (UTC)

Re:Hyrule Warriors Renders
I don't really see the point it's just a different weapon. Kyosei (talk) 07:46, June 14, 2014 (UTC)


 * I'd rather not show favoritism. Kyosei (talk) 08:50, June 14, 2014 (UTC)


 * Knock yourself out. Kyosei (talk) 18:07, June 14, 2014 (UTC)


 * You should never feel the need to ask for permission to make a personal user gallery. So long as you're not posting up porn or anything else similarly explicit you can put whatever you like for your own user subpages. Kyosei (talk) 00:08, June 21, 2014 (UTC)


 * Those extra images belong in the user image category because they are not included in any of our Hyrule Warriors-related articles. They are there for your own sub-page. And frankly, wouldn't it be better to just link personal images from free hosting sites like Photobucket instead of uploading them here? Humble Novice (talk) 19:42, June 28, 2014 (UTC)


 * Kyosei permitted you to upload those renders in your gallery, but did he say anything about categorizing them as images used for our articles? Official or not, images solely intended for personal use should be classified as such. Humble Novice (talk) 20:11, June 28, 2014 (UTC)

While I'm not too concerned about the image categories, I am annoyed by how many times both you and Humble Novice reupload the same exact image. If you're getting the largest version from one source (and you are), why not wait until that place has it before uploading it onto the wiki? Just do away with the in-between official renders or early Famitsu scans altogether. All it does is add extra image data which is rendered completely obsolete by your standards in mere days. Sake neko (talk) 00:22, June 29, 2014 (UTC)

DLC Costumes
Please do not raise people's hopes about how the Japanese DLC for this game is currently set up. It is very specifically stated that Link and Zelda are different sets and that you can only obtain certain sets early through specific purchases.
 * Link "Courage" costume
 * Zelda "Wisdom" costume

It has been this way even before the renders were revealed. This will likely not be permanent, given how Omega Force regularly caves in with making certain preorders normal DLC, but that is the situation for now. Sake neko (talk) 00:30, July 6, 2014 (UTC)
 * There's nothing which has been stated that suggests these costumes will be limited to just Link and Zelda, but whatever. You're free to speculate as you please until more information/the game comes out. Thank you for understanding. Sake neko (talk) 01:03, July 6, 2014 (UTC)

Besides, that same image is provided within the Gamecity Shopping link. Click on the blue icon(s) next to the specific "privilege" (特典) in the package information section. Sake neko (talk) 01:50, July 13, 2014 (UTC)
 * Fine. I see at as being absolutely redundant but I'll keep my mouth shut about it. Sake neko (talk) 01:59, July 13, 2014 (UTC)

OCD
I'm all for helping the disabled, but OCD is hardly the crippling disease people make it out to be. Like you, I also suffer from this disorder to a severely annoying degree. However, that doesn't mean I have the right to coerce others into doing things a certain way just to make myself feel better. Do you see me forcing Sake to follow my method of naming files and vice versa? It just seems so... petty. I personally don't mind if those files get renamed, but your persistence in getting your way just makes us think you want special treatment over everybody else here. Humble Novice (talk) 09:29, July 10, 2014 (UTC)


 * I'm fine with both possibilities either way. I just dislike it when people who have OCD use it as an excuse to "make mountains out of a molehill". If you want things done a certain way, then you have to show them how they can benefit in doing so. In my own way, I too have an obsession with keeping things in a particular order. But contributing to this wiki helped me realize that my way isn't always the best. You've been a member of this wiki far longer than I, so why are you so resistant when a fellow editor removes your edits or alters them beyond recognition? Humble Novice (talk) 09:50, July 10, 2014 (UTC)


 * Good night then. Though we may have our differences, I'm more than willing to respect your way of doing things if you can do the same to me and everyone else. That is all. Humble Novice (talk) 10:06, July 10, 2014 (UTC)

Uploaded Images
Thank you. I'll upload them in a moment or so. Humble Novice (talk) 19:06, August 5, 2014 (UTC)

??
You were on Siliconera, yes? 08:27, August 8, 2014 (UTC)

Hyrule Warriors Bosses
Personally, I think we should stick to individual pages for these bosses like with Toukiden. It makes more sense to do so since they have numerous attacks, weaknesses, etc. Humble Novice (talk) 00:37, August 16, 2014 (UTC)

Hyrule Warriors Weapons
Actually, the differences in attack power is based on the number of stars a weapon has. Didn't you notice? Humble Novice (talk) 22:07, August 16, 2014 (UTC)


 * I've already observed enough gameplay and I can honestly say that the amount of stars is what determines a weapon's overall attack power. In fact, the table has been changed to reflect that fact. Humble Novice (talk) 22:39, August 16, 2014 (UTC)


 * If you want to thank me, then please help complete the moveset section of each character. I'd do it myself if I wasn't busy working on another new page for the wiki. You can use the info provided at this site: link


 * Once you're done, I'll try to fix any grammatical mistakes if I have free time. Good luck. Humble Novice (talk) 22:54, August 16, 2014 (UTC)


 * But that's just it, we aren't even sure what kind of DLC will come out within the next few weeks. For all we know, they could be just weapon skins rather than brand new weapons. Doing it like this will just give viewers false hope, putting the integrity of this wiki into question. My suggestion is to wait things out and use the format only when we have official detailed news of DLC. Humble Novice (talk) 23:22, August 17, 2014 (UTC)


 * You have a Miiverse account, right? Could you upload images of the new 8-bit weapons if possible? I haven't been able to find more on my own so far. Humble Novice (talk) 05:34, December 2, 2014 (UTC)


 * Ah, I see. In any case, please do what you can. Humble Novice (talk) 05:56, December 2, 2014 (UTC)

Sheik
Everyone and their mothers know Sheik is Zelda, but the game still classifies them as separate characters due to their different movesets and weapons. You could argue that Orochi and Nezha share pages with their alternate versions, but that's mostly due to their ties to the same source. Zelda and Sheik are more in line with Kyubi no Kitsune and Tamamo respectively in that one is simply a guise of the other but act like their own characters well enough. I'd say the differences in characterization and gameplay justify the creation of a separate article for the aforementioned Hyrule Warriors character. Humble Novice (talk) 07:46, August 19, 2014 (UTC)

A little late
I know. You didn't need to tell me that. Sake neko (talk) 08:49, September 1, 2014 (UTC)

Re:Divine mirror
Most of these details are honestly negligible or something the readers themselves can make connections to themselves. Trivia should be something more interesting and not so immediately obvious at a glance like say some kind of developer commentary. Kyosei (talk) 23:02, September 15, 2014 (UTC)

Re:Link
It's only been 2 instances over a span of a few weeks. I wouldn't exactly call that extensive vandalism. I think you should try directly addressing this particular anon in question first rather than asking me to strip the rights of other unregistered users to edit the page. Seems like a simple misunderstanding that can be cleared up rather than a troll. Kyosei (talk) 00:05, September 28, 2014 (UTC)
 * Generally just leave a message on their talk page. Next time they visit Wikia they should see a notification that there is a message. Kyosei (talk) 00:14, September 28, 2014 (UTC)

Asterisks
For consistency's sake, there's no need to put asterisks right next to the headings since people can just see them below. Humble Novice (talk) 10:43, October 3, 2014 (UTC)

Ampersand
Please refrain from using ampersands (&) to replace "and" in sentences. That symbol should only reserved for names, headings, and titles. It doesn't matter if the game uses the symbol since we don't have to copy it word for word. Humble Novice (talk) 23:58, December 11, 2014 (UTC)

Your removel of factual information
You do know when companies make alternate Costumes they don't always includ every little detail relevant to the character the reason it doesn't have the leg markings is because they are ethier not impartant enough for the amount of  time needed to put them in or to keep it more in lines with his other tunics in game and just make it a color change. Sonamyfan666 a Amy Rose Expert and fan (talk) 21:50, June 16, 2015 (UTC)

Re:Sonamyfan666‎
I don't really see this as vandalism. You guys are obviously still talking it out. I don't see any reason to issue any bans temp or not. At most I would rather temp lock the page until you guys sort out your issues and find a compromise you can both agree on. Kyosei (talk) 07:15, August 30, 2015 (UTC)

Ocarina
It's right there on the official website. Sake neko (talk) 03:28, September 17, 2015 (UTC)
 * They said the ocarina is available to everyone and it isn't treated as its own item. Like the generic horse you get when you do horse whistles in recent Warriors games. Sake neko (talk) 03:31, September 17, 2015 (UTC)
 * Under the definition of Zelda items for these games, items are things you would need to find on the map and has limitations of some sort. As it is, it's a glorified type of horse whistle. Just because it takes inventory space doesn't mean it's an item. Sake neko (talk) 03:40, September 17, 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for talking down on me like that and assuming that I'm out of touch with information. That really helped my self-esteem. But on a serious note, the ocarina really isn't considered an item by itself regardless of how much you want to spin it. Sake neko (talk) 03:52, September 17, 2015 (UTC)

Princess Zelda Costume
It's already been mentioned as trivia on her page, so no need for the image there. Problem solved. Humble Novice (talk) 00:46, October 17, 2015 (UTC)


 * I was doing clean up and it was marked as deletion and wasn't linked anywhere. When I do batch deletes it just happens. Kyosei (talk) 00:48, October 17, 2015 (UTC)


 * Better let this one go since your image has nothing to do with Koei's titles. Just be glad it has a place in your personal gallery. And also, please refrain from edit warring since almost half of your contributions have been nothing but drama and conflict, something this wiki needs less of. Humble Novice (talk) 01:11, October 17, 2015 (UTC)


 * Let me put things in perspective for you. We only include media of collaborations between Koei-made games and other intellectual properties if the former is directly responsible for the content in question. Mind you, this restriction only applies to games in general while other collaborations involving food or merchandise are fair game. Plus, there's no need for us to include anything made for Tecmo or Gust alone. On another note, our level of strictness is comparatively loose in contrast to over-monitored sites like the Aselia wikia. If Kyosei was that harsh, then you wouldn't even be here to complain right now. Humble Novice (talk) 01:40, October 17, 2015 (UTC)

It's not that I doubt the source. It's more that I'm used to how advertising and hype building works in the video game industry. They reveal something exciting and new in a video or staged presentation before giving the polite if tired, "Please wait for upcoming news report to learn more"; then they iron out the dents for something more concrete. Koei is guilty of that (especially Ruby Party) and so is Nintendo. Sake neko (talk) 17:57, November 13, 2015 (UTC)

Lady Hayakawa
Because I don't want to have an edit war with you about this. Sake neko (talk) 20:20, November 30, 2015 (UTC)


 * He must have gotten it from the localized version of Samurai Warriors 4: Empires, though I have yet to see any screenshots or videos to verify this myself. Nonetheless, isn't there a rule in this wiki about changing character names to match those found in current titles? Humble Novice (talk) 20:37, November 30, 2015 (UTC)


 * If Empires localization has definitively changed it on an official website or video, then sure. Until then, however, these changes seem to be driven more by personal agenda; she is still Lady Hayakawa in English SW4 and that was changed on that page too. The commentary for each edit doesn't help its authenticity either. Sake neko (talk) 20:45, November 30, 2015 (UTC)


 * Yeah, my bad. I was browsing PSN and when i got to SW4 new character avatars, they listed hers as just "Hyakawa", not Lady, so I figured thats how she had her name spelled in game. I seriously jumped the gun on that one, and am very sorry. Ixbran (talk) 02:03, December 1, 2015 (UTC)