User talk:Light-Revan

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Alliances
are there to note who joins whom and when in each game. Which is practically rendered pointless in WO3. Except for the serpent army since they still oppose the player. In this case, a Hydra section can be added onto the Orochi army page because they're still the same darn being in the end anyways.

Alliances are not there to say who is what "race" someone is or what have you. Besides, the character articles themselves say whether they're an immortal or not. You can put an overall summary of their activities at the top of the page (or its own section if it gets too long), but please don't try to make these alliance pages anything more than that. Because they are fictional and pertain only to this universe.

The descriptions you're putting are also a little misleading. Just because one language says they're demons doesn't mean they are accepted the same in English. Mystics wouldn't be called mystics if you're following the Japanese script; they would be called immortal beings or more specifically xianren/sennen. But that doesn't matter because in the end, this is an English wiki. Official localization overrules pretty much anything us fans want to defend from the original Japanese script.

Sometimes that causes problems explaining how things work and messes up continuity. This time, it really doesn't. I don't see why you're trying to defend your stance so badly. Sake neko 18:03, April 24, 2012 (UTC)
 * What I'm trying to say is that the "race" article you're trying to go for is redundant since the current page alreadly states that they're not human. "Although they look human" means that they're not of mortal origin. It says that on the Mystics page as it stands already. That's what opening paragraphs are meant to do, to establish how they're different from another alliance.


 * To say that again on yet another page is redundant. I mean, you're only talking about the WO version of immortals/demons. You aren't even trying to establish the real world version at all. If you want to talk a "race" page, you would call it its real name first and then compare it to something Koei made up.


 * The "demons" you're actually trying to cover is too broad to limit to one page since you're trying summarize every type of malevolent spirit simultaneously. The "mystics" you're thinking of are also in the same boat. Sake neko 18:25, April 24, 2012 (UTC)
 * I care about the real world counterparts once you start flinging words like "races" out there and trying to delineate how "mystics" and "demons" are by using only the WO versions of them. Because they DO exist in other Koei franchises, and they're not the same as the WO series by a long shot (Fengshen Yanyi, Saiyuki: Journey West, Harukanaru Toki no Naka de (series), Zill O'll to name some of the examples). That's why I'm so adamant on having the alliance pages stay the way they are currently. Because the WO definitions are the only things you're talking about.


 * For those reasons really, you can expand on how the mystics/Orochi forces are on their already created pages only. You can mention who was introduced as what per game and who sided with whom because that's the point of these pages. Sake neko 18:47, April 24, 2012 (UTC)

Lu Bu
means "the strongest fighter of the era" from a marketing stand point. Let's compare Lu Bu with what has already been established for Honda and Keiji.


 * Lu Bu
 * Max Attack and Defense (or at least starts as the highest) throughout the Wariors franchises
 * Emphasized as the strongest character in the game's script/marketing (even though that may not be what players actually think)
 * Every personal story he has emphasizes how he is the strongest at some point; defeats rivals for "the right" along the way
 * Hamfisted into many battles/games just to prove that he is "the strongest"
 * Told to avoid conflict with him in certain stages
 * Has his own theme song(s) throughout his Warriors appearances; even used as the motif for some of the game's intro movies
 * Featured in following game intros/promotional movies as a "mighty character" - DW, DW2, DW3, DW4, DW6, WO (and as an extension MOZ), the pachinkos and pachislots, and probably some others I'm forgetting
 * Known for riding a famous horse
 * Often faces players whilst in Hyper state


 * Honda
 * Max Attack and Defense since debut
 * Emphasized as the strongest character in the game's script/marketing (even though that may not be what players actually think)
 * Every personal story he has emphasizes how he is the strongest at some point; defeats rivals for "the right" along the way
 * Hamfisted into many battles just to prove that he is "the strongest" (especially in SW3)
 * Told to avoid conflict with him in certain stages
 * Has his own theme song(s) throughout his Warriors appearances
 * Featured in following game intros/promotional movies as a "mighty character" - SW:XL, SW2, SW3, SW3:XL, WO (and as an extension MOZ), second XL pachislot
 * Often faces players whilst in Hyper state


 * Keiji
 * Max Attack and Horse Attack since debut
 * Featured in following game intros/promotional movies as a "mighty character" - SW (and as an extension SW:XL and State of War), first XL pachislot
 * Told to avoid conflict with him in one stage for one mission in Kenshin's scenario
 * Known for riding a famous horse
 * Hyper state status fluctuates more frequently than Honda or Lu Bu

Look, I know what you're trying to say. Yes, I too still personally consider Keiji to be better than Honda and the real Lu Bu of the series. I think his attacks are faster and much more versatile. I think the only thing Honda has over Keiji is that extremely broken C5. As an extension of my opinion, I think Lu Bu's a chump and severely overrated as "the strongest of DW cast".

But trying to say that Keiji's the "secondary Lu Bu equivalent" in the SW series isn't really the case. To me, that's like trying to argue that Goemon was the "secondary Lu Bu in his debut" (which he was), until Honda was introduced. It's a dated concept and not worth keeping considering all the changes that have been made since then.

If you want to mention how Keiji matches up to Honda and how powerful he is and so on, please mention that in his much neglected fighting style section. That's ideally where all of the stat comparing and other data like that should go for characters. Sake neko 23:13, April 25, 2012 (UTC)

Re: Takamaru
I mention Samurai Warriors 3 Z in particular because that's the actual version W03 is using. In this version Takamaru and the other Wii exclusive things don't exist anyways. Rather than being redundant and long-winded, it's easier to be concise. I'm not in anyway trying to be "tricky" or "misleading" as you seem to imply. Kyosei 20:46, April 26, 2012 (UTC)

RE:Image
The rule of this wiki is only one render of a character, we are not allowed to have multiple renders of the same design. which is why i simply uploaded over the original. had i just uploaded it as another image, it would have just been deleted by the admins/mods. Ixbran 22:24, April 26, 2012 (UTC)

Ixbran 22:40, April 26, 2012 (UTC)
 * The thing you have to know about this wiki is while yes it is a game wiki, alot of the characters, most of them anyway, are based off of historical figures. the admins and mods of this wiki want to keep the wiki clean of unnecessary information images. Heck i actually had to fight with one of the mods to include a DLC Section. at first they stated it wasn't necessary due to DLC being Optional. I don't agree with the policy either, but its best to just submit and do things the way the admins and mods do it. if you argue with them, they could just block you and prevent you from doing anything. Id rather that not happen

 Ixbran 22:51, April 26, 2012 (UTC)
 * Personally i dont think its anything worth fighting over. they are just images. and due to the wukong image being uploaded over the other one, you can just go in and click the thumbnail of an older version of the submission, and open it in another window, simple as that. the image is still there, but just as a past version.

First thing you should get out of your mind, we're not like every other gaming wiki. We emphasize the written info over the visual. We don't include more than one render if the model, costume, and weapons don't change. If it's just a pose change there's really no point in including it. Downloadable content and the collaboration characters get these multiple renders though mostly to show how they appear in the games mentioned in their article.

I deleted one image because it had the deletion template. I routinely delete anything marked for deletion. Kyosei 23:00, April 26, 2012 (UTC)


 * Like i said, the image is still there, just in the image history. just scroll down and click on the icon of the original version of the image and it will load. the only time uploading an older image doesn't work is if the images are different file types, like JPG, GIF or PNG.


 * @Kyosei: and i said so before that you guys concentrate on the historical aspect of the characters earlier before. This wiki is different from other Gameing wikis, something anyone who uses this wiki will learn eventually. Ixbran 23:03, April 26, 2012 (UTC)

Answers
I made this a slightly different heading but related as you were making a lot of points that I felt that should be individually addressed and questions not quite related at the same time.


 * "We are not like every other gaming wiki"
 * This is not really justification for anything. This is merely pointing out we are different and not the same as everyone else. Frankly I don't see the need to be like every other wiki either.


 * "your historical information is already written on wikipedia or other wiki about history"
 * This is certainly not the case for many historical figures covered here especially Asian historical figures. I need only direct you to someone more obscure like Wang Yi and her Wikipedia page. In fact, almost the entirety of her Wikipedia article is simply copied/pasted from what was written here. Her husband doesn't even have a page there but has his history written out in full here. Wikipedia also tends to confuse popular culture, myths and legends with actual history making them more often then not misinforming their readers.


 * "[history] becoming something secondary"
 * This is indeed our policy which is why the historical/folklore information is at the bottom below all the game related info. This is why most of these historical sections are blank too as they are not a high priority compared to their game counterparts and we want to take the time to get them done right. Originally, other users wanted the historical information on top similar to how it is on Wikipedia.


 * "something visual like games should have at least all the good and interesting images in one of its objective"
 * Here you seem to imply we ignore this. We don't. We simply see images as another source of information just visual instead. If the reader is not learning any new visual information, it is redundant and not necessary to repeat.


 * "People come here for many reasons, and some for see character images only."
 * True we don't cater to these people and honestly don't see the need to. What we want here are readers and editors to help fill in any missing info. Casual and cursory onlookers are not helpful in growing the community unless they contribute useful written information.


 * "Whopper was agree about this? It was his real ambition about this wiki?"
 * I personally cannot tell how he would think about this or his original ambitions for this wiki beyond it being originally a Dynasty Warriors only wiki that eventually decided to expand to include other franchises. He quit being admin long before I took the reins. He very occasionally stops by now and then but has not raised any issues with me about the wiki thus far and can only assume he has no problems with how it's being handled unless he says otherwise.


 * "Can I also ask you why you are the only one active admin right now?""
 * I am the only active admin here because the rest of them quit for various personal reasons. You can read each of their individual farewell messages: here, here and here. I became admin because I was trying to find one for the wiki, not because I was aiming to become one. I personally wouldn't mind another dedicated admin but it's something that requires a willing individual, a cool head and a large investment of one's personal time among other things.

Kyosei 00:54, April 27, 2012 (UTC)